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Friday, November 15, 2024
"Did Mary Sin?" — God, Angel and Cousin Elisabeth Said No
God when adressing the snake, Genesis 3:15. Angel Gabriel and Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias, Luke 1. Between that for meaning of an expression, do also check Judges 5 and Judith 13. However, Jimy Akin pretended, "this is not formally defined by the Church", so, after link to his video, my answer to that.
Did Mary Sin? | Conversations with TJ (2 of 5)
Jimmy Akin | 30 Oct. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PU_G9X-NHQ
6:52 The one way to argue for Mary's Immaculate conception Biblically is as a maximal version of Her Sinlessness.
Do you know what "blessed among women" means?
In the OT there are exactly TWO women this gets applied to. Jael and Judith. For killing Sisera and Holophernes.
So, exactly whose head was Mary crushing? That's probably why She was confused about the Angel's Greeting.
When She arrived to Elisabeth, She already knew She was Mother of God, or within probability if Elisabeth confirmed it. BUT ... when Elisabeth added "and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" ... Genesis 3:15. As we know, this is when She was basically jumping for joy. Because this identified HER Sisera and Holophernes as Satan.
Now, again, this doesn't mean She was physically beating Satan in a boxing match, as if She were Thor of Marvel fame, no, it meant She had NEVER displeased God. She had NEVER done what Adam and Eve came to do. That's the victory a human person can have over Satan.
Why do I say She had NEVER sinned? Why wouldn't it just be enough if currently She wasn't? Genesis 3:15 says "enmities" and Hebrew uses this plural for complete enmity.
But since slavery is kind of nearly a friendship compared to ranged battle enmity, that also means NO slavery. She had given Satan not one single victory.
He that committeth sin is of the devil: for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God appeared, that he might destroy the works of the devil
[1 John 3:8]
This is something which applies to many men, but not to Her. The second however applies to Her Son ... and to Her.
We can immediately rule out the idea that She was crushing Satan only by being Mother of God. Immediately. The greeting of the Angel very clearly was given before he spoke of Her pregnancy in the future tense. The pregnancy very probably didn't begin before She had given Her "fiat mihi". She was not yet Mother of God when She had already utterly defeated Satan.
You should have asked him "can you be a Bible believing Christian and NOT believe in the Sinlessness of Mary?" (add as many exclamation marks as you like).
[I tried to add:]
In the fencing match of wills, see Satan as the bungler fat prison guard and Her as Zorro.
[I could not document the censorship, as this involves narrowing down the screenshot through Paint, and it was broken ... but censorship occurred. The comment was taken down basically as soon as given.]
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