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Monday, December 9, 2024
Baptismal Regeneration, Works, the Eucharist
The title of this video contains a lie:
Roman Catholic Priest teaches Cannibalism
Apologetics London | 18 Nov. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1D_Ei2fw0k
It's not just a lie about Catholic teaching, as my comment explains, but also about what the priest said. They may pretend what he said at least implies Cannibalism, but it doesn't.
8:07 Christ didn't teach cannibalism.
True. Cannibalism involves the laceration and bloodshed of the other human person eaten.
Because of the way that Jesus Body is present in the remaining appearance of the bread that was, this Body is NOT divided by for instance chewing, it's the appearance of bread that's so divided.
Hence, the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist involves no cannibalism.
Stop spreading false rumours about Catholic teaching!
9:00 The thief on the Cross was beng rejustified before the promulgation of Baptism, though perhaps the Old Covenant was not yet finished, as Jesus had not yet died.
However, the thief on the Cross, if this had happened clearly and unambiguously during the New Covenant and after the promulgation of Baptism, could not any longer have been baptised. However, he longed for the justice of God, and to God that is, if He reads this heart as a real longing for justice, sufficient.
This doesn't mean that one can not get baptised, and also not that if one gets baptised one is not saved through baptism. But after that, one has to stay saved by good works.
For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God Not of works, that no man may glory For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them
[Ephesians 2:8-10]
Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
[Philippians 2:12]
This is not the fear and trembling of a sinner before he accepts Christ, it is fear and trembling of people already justified and obedient to God through obedience to St. Paul and his teaching.
Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.
[2 Peter 1:10]
Again, making sure one's calling and election is not before justification, since one cannot get justified by good works while one is still a sinner. It's a necessity after justification to do good works. And the idea is, by doing good works, one avoids sinning and avoids losing salvation.
The thief, already justified, did a good work in speaking up. He had just previously mocked Our Lord, and it cost him some prestige as dying as a manly man to just change his tune so radically, and speaking is painful, because breathing is painful, if one is on a cross. Yet, he did it. He was promised Paradise. Works doesn't always means actions with ones hands.
But as to Baptism, it's not a good work which we do to get justified, it's the work of God which we undergo to get justified. So, there is no contradiction between Baptismal regeneration and "no salvation by works we do" ... (Ephesians 2 and Titus 3).
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