Saturday, July 6, 2013

... on Autumn's why she is an atheist video and some commenters

Series on Discovering Religion:

... on Autumn's why she is an atheist video and some commenters

It is through above that I know the channel Discovering Religion.


... on Apocalyptic fears of Atheists and some more
(on Ep 01)
... on Young Earth
(on Ep 02)
... on Redemption, Flood and Paradise
(on Ep 03, 04 1/2, 04 2/2)
... on Copy Right issues, Scientific Theories and Adam's children's sibling marriages, not forgetting bananas
(on Ep 05, 06)

The video by which I ran into "Discoveringreligion":
Autumn Lauber : Why I am an atheist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lttw4vxRfI


Hans-Georg Lundahl

[to the young lady on the video]:
Autumn, was watching first six or seven of Discovering Religion a while ago.

My comments and ensuing debates on those upcoming on my blog assortedretorts (google or add blogspot domain).

[Instead of linking to this blog, I link to the previous message where I started keeping that promise:

... on Apocalyptic fears of Atheists and some more
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2013/07/on-apocalyptic-fears-of-atheists-and.html
I also saw and answered:

jehovahuponyou
ACTUALLY YOU ARE A SPOILED LITTLE GIRL WITHOUT THE LIFE EXPERIENCES TO MAKE ANY DECISION ABOUT ANY THING DEEP OR MAJOR.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
If she is spoiled or not is not up to you. You are not her father.

She is no longer a little girl, and she has been mature enough to for instance marry since the age she decided to call herself an atheist, i e twelve. That was four years ago when she made the video and is five years ago now.

Yesterday was fourth of July. RCC celebrated St Isabel of Aragon, Queen of Portugal. She married at age 12.

*Christian* tradition has it a girl is mature enough for important decisions at age twelve.
jehovahuponyou
I HAVE AN OPINION, I SPOKE THAT OPINION - I AM NOT ADOLF HITLER'S DADDY, BUT I STILL KNOW HE WAS A SON-OF-A-BITCH.

MARYING AT 16, HMMM, YOU MUST RAISE HOGS AND DRINK MOONSHINE.

POPE POTLICKER MARRIED A CHOIR BOY WHO WAS ONLY EIGHT - SO WHAT.

I CAN TELL YOUR DAUGHTERS (IF ANY LIL LADIES ARE UNLUCKY ENOUGH TO EVER BORN TO YOU) ARE ALL HEADED STRAIGHT TO WHITE SLAVERY.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
White slavery?

You do not know what you are talking about.

Might have had a dad or grandpa who raised hogs and drank moonshine yourself, and you are ashamed of it.

Now, St Isabel of Aragon, Queen of Portugal married at twelve. She died in 1336 in Estremoz on a journey to reconcile two of her quarrelling sons.

Does not sound like white slavery to me, no.

Oh, one more thing, if you had a dad or granddad who raised hogs and drank moonshine, I do not consider that shameful in you.

Being excessively ashamed of it would be shameful in you. Just like it would be shameful to drink excessively much of the moonshine.

Hope home distillers learn how to filtrate after destillation, my own grandpa was an official monopoly distiller in Sweden.
jehovahuponyou
[Insult involving my mouth]
Hans-Georg Lundahl
Are you a magician?

I had toothache this night.

Either way, if you are or are not, you are a prejudiced and unpolite man.

[I might have been wrong, I might have fallen asleep while he posted the insult and the toothache may have had no supernatural cause at all or quite a distinct one - apart from natural causes like caries bacteria]
I also saw and answered:

Narania234
Christianity

The belief that a cosmic Middle Eastern Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense.

Christianity is a ''highly legitimate'' and ''intelligent'' set of beliefs according to neocons.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
You are prejudiced against cosmos, Middle East, Resurrection, Trinity, Eternal Life, Holy Eucharist, Prayer, Original Sin, existence of the Devil, and probably trees as well, at least those in Eden.

Not neocon prejudice, perhaps, but prejudice nonetheless!
Narania234
It's all made up bullshit.

Hebrew Bible is the original one, while chrisitan bible is a FALSIFICATION.

There are FOUR CROWN PRINCES of Hell, not onel.

Their names are Belial, Lucifer, haSatan and Leviathan.

The evil catholic church exterminated many millions of inncocent people with their Inquisition, Knightly Orders and witch-hunters.

Judaism was opressed for 1900 years.

christianity is nothing more than a renegade Middle Eastern sect, a heresy of Judaism and never 'll be anything else.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
As for oppression and heresy:

Jews defected from God by rejecting Christ, as Samaritans had done about a thousand years later by rejecting Rohoboam the son of Solomon.

Oppression of Judaism was a divine punishment for that defection.

Christianity was the true covenant, as through it idolaters have been converted to the one true God.

Now, the Old Testament has come down to us in certain variants.

Hebrew Masoretic text - and Masoretic seems to mean "compromise" or "peace" (as between divergent readings).

It is the latest known among Hebrews.

Before that we had at one time Septuaginta and Samarian text, of which the Septuaginta was a miraculously accurate translation to Greek of oldest Jewish - non-Samaritan - variant.

Between original of Septuaginta and Masoretic text, you have original of Vulgate's OT.

Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. He guided the morning star around the sun before falling down to the mean office of being an accuser.

The Catholic Church is not evil, did not exterminate millions, did no war on innocents, Inquisition was a response to Albigensian evil (there were similar responses to Baal worship under OT), Knightly Orders were not always faithful to the Church. Worst witchhunts were Protestant.
Narania234
Isaiah 43:10-13, haShem himself says there is no savior and all men must contact haShem directly. Ergo, your Jesus was a false prophet.

Jesus was the enemy of Judaism, he claimed that Old Testament ''should be ignored'', therefore he was a heretic.

According to the witnesses your Jesus insulted the Roman emperor Tiberius.

Insulting the Roman emperor, consuls and senate was puunishable by death.

According to the Roman law your Jesus was justly executed.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
Isaiah 43:10 says there is no God after or before Holy Trinity. Same verse specifically mentions the chosen servant, the Son made Man.

43:11 says there is no saviour beside Holy Trinity, but the Son made Man is not beside, but within.

43:13 says none shall deliver Israel out of the Hand of Holy Trinity. Now, it is precisely in incarnation of the Son that God gets hands.

"Jesus [...] claimed that Old Testament ''should be ignored'' " - says who? Your false witnesses?
Narania234
Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism are false religions, so is the fake religion of the Druids, and the fake religion of Odin (not sure whether he was a Druid or a lapsed Samarian Cohen), and as for the Greco-Roman religion, the Maccabees considered it the Abomination of Desolation.

Between Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism on the one hand and Islam on the other hand, One God in Three Persons is the golden mean.

So it is between Talmudic monopersonalism and kabbalistic doctrine of 11 or 22 sephiroth.

"Even the protestants reject it."

Protestantism started 1517, one and a half millennia after Christianity. Unlike Orthodox and Catholics.

Even so, most Protestant sects (exceptions: Socinianism, Deism, Atheism, Transcendental Philosophy, Russellianism) accept Holy Trinity same as Catholics and Orthodox.

"The actual god from Hebrew Bible, haShem has NO SON."

Oh yeah?

Psalm 109: "The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool. "

If the Son of David is only son of David and not of God, why does David call Him my Lord?

"With thee is the principality in the day of thy strength: in the brightness of the saints: from the womb before the day star I begot thee."

Father speaking to Son.

"It was true that your jesus claimed that there is a greater power and authority than the Roman emperor, consules and senate and it was indeed punishable by death."

Why after hearing that claim did then Pilate say "I find no guilt in him?"

The Jews who protested became idolaters and apostates by saying on that occasion: "we have no king but Caesar".

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