Wednesday, September 21, 2016

Debunking Piso Conspiracy as to Numerological Signatures by the Pisos


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I
In FULL gematria for Kalpournios Piso, I get the sum 2121.

II
Matthew 1:17 mentions three times 14.

So, you count 1 for the chapter, 17 for the verse and 42 for the three fourteens.

Makes 60.

There is a huge problem right here.

The chapters of Matthew (or any other Bible book, excepting the poetic books like psalms and Canticle of Canticles) were as yet NOT divided into verses.

If I think it is significant in Apocalypse that the words "here is wisdom" coming before the words telling of the number of the beast come in verse 18 of chapter 13, I can say that God "knew in advance" that these words would come in verse 18.

"Knew in advance" referring to knows in an eternal present to which all times are present.

But Piso is not God. He could, if faking this, not leave a signature by counting on verse 17, since when NT was written there was no verse division of Matthew 1.

III
Matthew 1 + its 25 verses.

Again, Calpurnius Piso was not God and could not know in advance that the verses of chapter 1 would be 25.

IV
41 people involved in the generations is correct.

There was a reason for the ones left out from genealogy. Athaliah's husband, son and grandson are omitted for impurity of associating with her.

You could argue the generations from transmigration to Babylon are fictitious, of course, but for one thing that is leaving out God (14 from Abraham to David, 14 from David to Babylonic captivity - would God not do sth 14 generations after Babylonic captivity?) and for another that leaves only ONE, not THREE signatures to Piso in Matthew 1.

V
Luke 3 also has just ONE* tie to 60, namely chapter 3 + 57 generations (if counted correctly).

You cannot get 3 + 38 = 41 as a signature by Piso, since he could not know there would be 38 verses in the chapter.

You cannot count 3 + 23 = 26 as a signature by Piso, since he could not even if faking know the words were going to be in verse 23.

If there is any signature pointing to Piso, it is by God, not by Piso.

* Possibly man made, that is.

VI
John 3:16 pointing to 19 of Piso?

You have a problem.

  • 1) Piso could not know Evangelicals would single out that verse as "the little Bible";

  • 2) He could also not know that verse was going to be verse 16 of chapter 3.


Again, if there is any signature pointing to Piso, it is by God, not by Piso.

Btw, in full reckoning, Piso is 1090, just for the record.

VII
You counted pacifying as enslaving.

Spartacus was not pacific. He ended up a crucified slave.

Epictetus was pacific and he gained his freedom after his master had physically abused him.

I think in certain circumstances turning the other cheek was very good advise.

VIII
Also, counting Calpurnius Piso family as a royal dynasty is not fully correct.

Rome was a republic and though Pisos might be related to Flavians, they were not themselves such - not to mention how briefly Flavians ruled Rome.

Not to mention the clear near certainty, even if discounting NT, that there were already Christians in the times of the Flavians.

Appendix A, gematria for Calpurnius Piso
α β γ
δε"digamma"
ζ η θ = 1 - 9
 
ι κ λ
μ ν ξ
ο π "qoppa" = 10 - 90
 
ρ σ τ
υ φ χ
ψ ω "sampi" = 100 - 900
 
K 020 20
A 001 20 01
Λ 030 50
Π 080 130
O 070 200
Y 400 400 200 0700
Ρ 100 500 200 0330
N 050 500 250 0001
I 010 500 260 1031
O 070 500 330 1090
Σ 200 700 330 2121
 
Π 80
I 10
Σ 200
Ω 800 1090
Appendix B, counting the 41
  • 1 Abraham
  • 2 begot Isaac. And Isaac
  • 3 begot Jacob. And Jacob
  • 4 begot Judas and his brethren. [3] And Judas
  • 5 begot Phares and Zara of Thamar. And Phares
  • 6 begot Esron. And Esron
  • 7 begot Aram. [4] And Aram
  • 8 begot Aminadab. And Aminadab
  • 9 begot Naasson. And Naasson
  • 10 begot Salmon. [5] And Salmon
  • 11 begot Booz of Rahab. And Booz
  • 12 begot Obed of Ruth. And Obed
  • 13 begot Jesse. [6] And Jesse
  • 14 begot David the king. And David the king
  • 15 begot Solomon, of her that had been the wife of Urias. [7] And Solomon
  • 16 begot Roboam. And Roboam
  • 17 begot Abia. And Abia
  • 18 begot Asa. [8] And Asa
  • 19 begot Josaphat. And Josaphat
  • 20 begot Joram. And Joram
  • 21 begot Ozias. [9] And Ozias
  • 22 begot Joatham. And Joatham
  • 23 begot Achaz. And Achaz
  • 24 begot Ezechias. [10] And Ezechias
  • 25 begot Manasses. And Manasses
  • 26 begot Amon. And Amon
  • 27 begot Josias. [11] And Josias
  • 28 begot Jechonias and his brethren in the transmigration of Babylon. [12] And after the transmigration of Babylon, Jechonias
  • 29 begot Salathiel. And Salathiel begot
  • 30 Zorobabel. [13] And Zorobabel
  • 31 begot Abiud. And Abiud
  • 32 begot Eliacim. And Eliacim
  • 33 begot Azor. [14] And Azor
  • 34 begot Sadoc. And Sadoc
  • 35 begot Achim. And Achim
  • 36 begot Eliud. [15] And Eliud
  • 37 begot Eleazar. And Eleazar
  • 38 begot Mathan. And Mathan
  • 39 begot Jacob. [16] And Jacob
  • 40 begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom
  • 41 was born Jesus, who is called Christ.


Appendix C, showing the division into verses as late
Matthew 17. Numeration of latter half of chapter.
 
KJV:
14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying, 15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. 16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
 Douay Reims:
[14] And when he was come to the multitude, there came to him a man falling down on his knees before him, saying: Lord, have pity on my son, for he is a lunatic, and suffereth much: for he falleth often into the fire, and often into the water. [15] And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. [16] Then Jesus answered and said: O unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. [17] And Jesus rebuked him, and the devil went out of him, and the child was cured from that hour. [18] Then came the disciples to Jesus secretly, and said: Why could not we cast him out? [19] Jesus said to them: Because of your unbelief. For, amen I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove from hence hither, and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you. [20] But this kind is not cast out but by prayer and fasting.
 
KJV 14-21 = DR 14-20
 
KJV:
22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
 Douay Reims:
[21] And when they abode together in Galilee, Jesus said to them: The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: [22] And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall rise again. And they were troubled exceedingly.
 
KJV 22, 23 = DR 21, 22
 
KJV:
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
 Douay Reims:
[23] And when they were come to Capharnaum, they that received the didrachmas, came to Peter and said to him: Doth not your master pay the didrachmas? [24] He said: Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying: What is thy opinion, Simon? The kings of the earth, of whom do they receive tribute or custom? of their own children, or of strangers? [25] And he said: Of strangers. Jesus said to him: Then the children are free. [26] But that we may not scandalize them, go to the sea, and cast in a hook: and that fish which shall first come up, take: and when thou hast opened its mouth, thou shalt find a stater: take that, and give it to them for me and thee.
 
KJV 24-27 = DR 23-26
 
Let us highlight the issue once again: KJV 14-21 = DR 14-20. Which verse did Douay Reims omit? None, since KJV 14, 15 = DR 14.
 
KJV: 14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying, 15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. DR: [14] And when he was come to the multitude, there came to him a man falling down on his knees before him, saying: Lord, have pity on my son, for he is a lunatic, and suffereth much: for he falleth often into the fire, and often into the water.
 
In other words, DR does include what the father says in the same verse as that he says it, while KJV has one verse saying that he says something and has a verse break before we get to what he is saying.

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