Wednesday, April 26, 2017

Me and Zarella on "qui loquutus est per prophetas"

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Why doesn't the Holy Spirit speak in the New Testament like the Father and the Son?

Anthony Zarrella
Lifelong Catholic and avid student of theology
Written 22h ago
He does.

Every word of the New Testament (and the Old) is the Holy Spirit speaking.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
1h ago
So is every word in the Old Testament - including the ones spoken by Joshua …

Anthony Zarrella
13m ago, 1 upvote by me
You’re confusing the sense.

Every word is inspired, but not every word is itself representative of the mind of God. The authors were inspired to include the quotes of others because it was important that we know that they were said, not because their content is guaranteed to be representative of divine truth.

If this logic suffices to show that every (recorded) word from Joshua’s mouth is attributable to the Spirit, then it would equally canonize the words of Pharaoh, or Nebuchadnezzar, or Caiaphas, or Judas, or Simon Magus.

[For those reading this and confused, this is a follow-up to an ongoing debate we’re having elsewhere. Hans is a geocentrist, and cites the fact that Joshua told the sun to stand still as proof.]

Hans-Georg Lundahl
1m ago
You are forgetting the very different moral status of a wonder worker on God’s behalf (like Joshua) and a very abject sinner.

A wonder worker’s words which make a wonder happen are very strictly God’s words through the person, just as the power is God’s power. And the words adressed to Sun and Moon were NOT his prayer to God (as Agamemnon erroneously thought when he tried to pray to Helios on a similar occasion), so they were instead his words inspired by God after praying.

However, I don’t think there is any word in which Joshua was reprehensible. But his other words are not on the same level as this or as his words or gestures at crossing of Jordan.

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