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Why do religious people reject evolution but accept that the earth moves around the sun?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-religious-people-reject-evolution-but-accept-that-the-earth-moves-around-the-sun/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl

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In Gallileo's trial the church argued that his views contradicted the bible. And indeed it removes the Earth from the centre of the universe. Why is this now accepted by religious people while evolution is still doubted?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Studied religions as curious parallels and contrasts to Xtian faith since 9, 10?

Written just now

There is a majority which accepts both and a minority (among which me) which rejects both.

And between them, there is compromise.

Of course, being religious and accepting both is also compromise.

But in this version, they usually come from accepting both or from families having rejected evolution earlier, but from accepting both, or from families who accepted heliocentrism, but felt like “frog is getting too hot in this casserole” when it came to evolution.

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If the earth moves around the Sun, why did Joshua tell the Sun to stand still and not the earth?
https://www.quora.com/If-the-earth-moves-around-the-Sun-why-did-Joshua-tell-the-Sun-to-stand-still-and-not-the-earth

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

Studied religions as curious parallels and contrasts to Xtian faith since 9, 10?

Written Thu

Good point.

I think the Earth stands still and Sun and Moon have a double orbit, a daily compared to localities on Earth and a longer periodical one compared to constellations.

So, what Joshua told the Sun to do, the Sun itself did, and the Earth was not doing it, as the Earth was not being told anything and is not moving otherwise anymore than on that occasion.

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Anthony Zarrella

Lifelong Catholic and avid student of theology

Written Fri

Let’s put it this way…

When you are working a miracle by the power of God Almighty, it’s a safe bet to let Him handle the technical details.

Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel,

“Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Ai′jalon.”

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.

So, Joshua didn’t need to know that, technically, the sun doesn’t move (relative to the Earth), but rather the Earth spins and makes the sun appear to move.

God knew how it worked, so when Joshua asked Him to make the sun “stand still,” He took care of it.

It’s sort of like how you can talk to your office’s tech guy and ask for something to be done with your computer:

You have no freaking clue what actually needs to happen, in terms of sorcerous and arcane “dosspromps” and “rejeddits” and “jahvahscripped” - as far as you’re concerned, he could wave a live chicken over your monitor while mumbling in Sumerian, and you’d assume it was all part of the process.

You just know that you want your computer to stop doing this and start doing that.

But the IT guy knows how your computer works, so he does what he knows you want, even if you don’t know all the technical terms to ask for it.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Fri

But on your view, Joshua erroneously adressed the wrong visible entity, God’s will adressed the right one, all while letting both Joshua and the witnessing Israelites believe He had adressed the same one with His power as Joshua had adressed with His words.

Your view is undermining the truthfulness of God.

Suppose Christopher Columbus had prayed on a day of despair, “God, take us instantly to China” or even better, told the ships “in the name of God, go instantly to China” and they had with obviously mircaculous speed been brought to the coast of Americas, then God would have been deceiving Columbus into believing it was China.

As it was, there was no direct miracle, nor did Columbus specify China, only “land”. So, there was no deception there.

But on your view, there was a real deception in Joshua 10.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Fri

“It’s sort of like how you can talk to your office’s tech guy and ask for something to be done with your computer”

Etc.

False parallel.

Joshua did not ONLY talk to God and let God handle all.

Joshua FIRST talked to God, THEN, visibly on God’s instruction, talked to Sun and Moon.