Christ on YEC

Q

Did Jesus believe the world was only a few thousand years old?
https://www.quora.com/Did-Jesus-believe-the-world-was-only-a-few-thousand-years-old/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1

50 so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation.

Luke 11:50-51 (NRSV)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A50-51&version=NRSV

Hans-Georg Lundahl

none/ apprx Masters Latin & Greek, Lund University

Answered Thu

Apparently yes, and this means, as He is God Omniscient, that the world only was a few thousand years old and now only is that age plus another 2000 years old.

Other answers with my comments
https://www.quora.com/Did-Jesus-believe-the-world-was-only-a-few-thousand-years-old

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Alan Graffin

Environmental and Pollution Ins. Mgr. & Director

Answered Wed

In that he was purportedly omniscient, Jesus therefore had to know that the Earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old (although he would surely have known the exact figure).

The Young Earth is a fabrication of a 19th Century American who was an amateur theologian and a worse mathematician. Besides being wholly contrary to observed fact, his calculations and theorizing do not hold up to even the most cursory examination, even on their own terms. Of course, examination of received “truth,” cursory or otherwise, is the one thing Evangelicals will never do.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Thu

“The Young Earth is a fabrication of a 19th Century American who was an amateur theologian and a worse mathematician.”

Would you mind telling me his name and how everyone was old earth before that?

“Besides being wholly contrary to observed fact,”

Like what facts you observe? Note, I underline observe.

“his calculations and theorizing do not hold up to even the most cursory examination, even on their own terms.”

Would you mind detailing his blunders?

“Of course, examination of received “truth,” cursory or otherwise, is the one thing Evangelicals will never do.”

Would you mind telling me if the 19th C. American you refer to is an Evangelical and if you presume all Young Earth Creationists are Evangelical?

By the way, while we are at it, check out the comment of Fr George Leo Haydock to Genesis 3.

// Concerning the transactions of these early times, parents would no doubt be careful to instruct their children, by word of mouth, before any of the Scriptures were written; and Moses might derive much information from the same source, as a very few persons formed the chain of tradition, when they lived so many hundred years. Adam would converse with Mathusalem, who knew Sem, as the latter lived in the days of Abram. Isaac, Joseph, and Amram, the father of Moses, were contemporaries: so that seven persons might keep up the memory of things which had happened 2500 years before. But to entitle these accounts to absolute authority, the inspiration of God intervenes; and thus we are convinced, that no word of sacred writers can be questioned. H. //

Genesis 3, Haydock comment
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/haydock/untitled-05.shtml#navPoint_6

Haydock lived in England and he started printing his “Haydock Bible” (Douay Rheims in Challoner revision, with comments he compiled and sometimes authored) in 1811.

George Leo Haydock - Wikipedia : The Haydock Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Leo_Haydock#The_Haydock_Bible

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Edward Creazzo

Follower of Jesus over 40 years

Answered Wed

Jesus did not need to “believe” anything since He was the creator of all things. Time is totally irrelevant in Heaven. If the Earth is 6,000 years old or 500,000 years old, Jesus would know. It is written that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. The Earth can be very, very old or very young. No one can possibly comprehend a timeless world or a life with no time. We need to put a time on everything from 10 minutes to eons. We can never understand a life with no time.

While we are busy debating over how old the Earth is, we are forgetting to thank the One who gave us the “time” to enjoy His creation, and family and friends. Life is too short to worry about how old the Earth is when we are here just a short time.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Thu

The thing is, Jesus needed to express Himself according to what He knew and not contrary to it, since He is not only Creator and Omniscient, but also totally truthful.

“While we are busy debating over how old the Earth is, we are forgetting to thank the One who gave us the “time” to enjoy His creation, and family and friends.”

Not necessarily.

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Sheila Davis

Answered Wed

Jesus said “before Abraham was, I am” -claiming his Godhood, claiming he is the creator.

Jesus said I beheld Satan fall from Heaven as Lightning - claiming he was there at the fall of Lucifer when the violent take it by force - when there was a war in heaven and Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels -the dragon and his angels lost the war and was cast down to earth - which took place before man.

No Jesus did not believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old. The Earth was God's Garden before he put men here - the Earth is old very, very old.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Thu

“No Jesus did not believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old.”

Meaning He knew it was and “believe” is the wrong verb?

Or meaning He lied?

If you pick “very, very old” as in billions of years, you pick Christ being a liar.

Sheila Davis

Original Author

22h ago

I answered the question as it was asked.

“If you pick “very, very old” as in billions of years, you pick Christ being a liar” - an analogy that would suit only you and maybe the few that think like you.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Just now

= > 17h ago

Where exactly would you classify that as an “analogy”?

The “few” who think like me (comparatively yes), we think so because we refuse to call Christ a liar. And have sufficient sense of words having meanings and implications to know that is one implication of world being billions of years is precisely that Christ would be a liar or a non-God.

Sheila Davis

Original Author

10h ago

Definition of analogy: a comparison between two things typically for explanation or clarification — your way of thinking and mine.

I have never called Christ a liar and because I used the word believe because it was used in the question is your analogy of what I said.

The Earth is billions of years old and no where in the Bible does it say it's 6000. Christ was here before time began - he is eternal - trillions zillions and more years.

No where in the Bible does it give the year Adam ate from the Tree of knowledge but it does indicate that Adam had immortality before he ate that fruit. Genesis 3:22 Man has become one of us - to know good and evil and now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the *tree of life* and eat and *live forever.* God barred man from the garden. Whatever -you are free to think what you want to think. I will not read a reply from you or answer again.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Just now

“I have never called Christ a liar”

Fine, but if you claim Jesus knew the world was much older than the time of Abel, you are implying He is a liar or not God.

This isn’t about an analogy between our two ways of thinking, it is because thought as such has certain analogies.

Earth 4 - 5 billion years - Christ knew - Christ liar.
Earth 4 - 5 billion years - Christ didn’t know - Christ is not God.
Earth 6 - 7 thousand years - Christ knew AND spoke truth.

“No where in the Bible does it give the year Adam ate from the Tree of knowledge but it does indicate that Adam had immortality before he ate that fruit.”

Whether he ate of it in the first or the third or whatever year, his overall years were 930. His age when begetting Seth was 130 or 230 according to versions.

“I will not read a reply from you or answer again.”

Up to you.

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Bill Puka

psychologist/philosophy prof (also teaches scriptures)

Answered Wed

I get the sense that though he made statements of “fact,” mostly apocalyptic prophecy, he was most concerned with ethical devotion and liefstyle, including a more spiritual, not ritualistic devotion to Abba.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Thu

I get the sense that you prefer “getting the sense” over actually reading what the text says.

Perhaps your profession as psychologist would suffer from your actually becoming a Christian?