Dick Harfield Went After the Flood on the Q "why did not other boats float?"

Q

In the Bible story of Noah’s flood, why did no boats, other than his Ark, float?
https://www.quora.com/In-the-Bible-story-of-Noah-s-flood-why-did-no-boats-other-than-his-Ark-float/answer/Dick-Harfield

Dick Harfield

lives in Sydney, Australia

Answered Sep 8, 2020

If one man could build a massive boat such as Noah’s Ark, then it is logical that other people had been building other boats that they could have used to escape from the biblical flood. However, myths have to be kept simple, and one of the necessary compromises in the telling of this story is that no one else in the world had a boat capable of saving any other humans on earth.

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Terry Terril

1y

The whole story is so weak, I still can’t believe I ever fell for the concept. Even into adulthood I never paid much attention to the now known myth. I was like so many others when it comes to religious stories. Brain washed as a child. Never question anyone telling me such nonsense, and never taking the time to check the facts.

Now I believe religions are a business. They sell a product for profit. There is good and bad in all of them.

Keith Twort

1y

And it is not even biblical. Cherry picked from a Sumerian legend. An earlier version was found on a cuneiform tablet, with instructions how to make one! It was round!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

And would, unlike the Ark, have been drowned quickly in a world wide Flood.

Oh, before you consider the Sumerian legend deals with a local flooding, such as still happen, their “Ark” is supposed to have started from a city that’s 28 meters above sea level and gone to a mountain that’s 800 meters above sea level.

[Take off : Shuruppak, landing : Mount Nisir]

[Mon and Tue in the previous and following mean Monday and Tuesday of Holy Week, namely 11.IV and 12.IV.2022]

Keith Twort

Mon

Except that it was big! See the ark before Noah by Irving Finkel on youtube. And Ararat is a district, not a mountain.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

Even big, that round shape would not have been ideal.

I never mentioned Ararat being “a” mountain, the Bible says MountainS (pl) of Ararat = of Armenia.

Keith Twort

Mon

Whether it is ideal or not, it corresponds to the round craft of the time. Why would it not be ideal? Nobody would be going anywhere! And there is the matter of feeding the animals. You mention A mountain specifically 800m above sea level!!! And collecting and delivering animals and birds from other continents. And killing all the plants. Nope a complete fantastic fable in common with much other biblical nonsense.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

“of the time”

Remains to be proven.

“You mention A mountain specifically 800m above sea level!!!”

It so happens, a river can’t flood to several hundred meters above normal level. From Shuruppak to Zagros mountains.

So, even with the Babylonian preference, it could not be the kind of naturalistic flooding you had in mind, that source too is speaking of a world wide one.

“And collecting and delivering animals and birds from other continents.”

Here is the Biblical one - but who says they were living on other continents before the Flood or indeed that there were oceans between continents before the Flood?

Keith Twort

Mon

And how do you explain other civilisations that never even noticed a “world wide flood”? Or the complete absence of a geological record? No it is pure fiction.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

It seems you have dropped the argument “why didn’t all the other boats sink” and are in for a general debate. Fine with me.

Chinese Emperors didn’t have to deal with a world wide flood because it happened before Fu Hsi (not sure of the Pinyin spelling) came along in Palaeolithic post-Flood conditions.

Egypt’s creation account matches parts of the Flood account.

Hinduism took Flood and early post-Flood Ramayana adventure and transposed them to before the pre-Flood Mahabharata wars that match parts of Genesis 4 and 6.

Japan starts its mythology with the creation of Japan in post-Flood times, even if Jimmu came from elsewhere.

Peru and Babylon and Altai mountain plains all have stories of the Flood.

And the geological record from the Flood is disguised by being divided into very many differently labelled “geologic recordS” supposed to be from different times, like Permian or Palaeogene.

Keith Twort

Mon

And when exactly do you think the “flood” happened? When the “creation” was supposed to be 6000 BCE or so?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

I think that the creation was 5199 BC and the Flood 2957 BC.

Keith Twort

Mon

And the Cishan culture arose in China from 6500–5000 BCE. They don’t seem to have noticed a flood, or even a creation!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Tue

Would you mind telling me what remaining Cishan chronicles tell us, we are now 8522 after founding of Cishan and in 3543 after same epoch, they noticed no Flood?

Ah, wait … you mean in “carbon dated” 6500 to 5000 BC … carbon dates coincide with real dates from c. 1180 BC (fall of Troy), and before that are inflated.

Carbon dated 6500 BC would be somewhat post-Babel.

Keith Twort

Tue

Haha. If the flood fable is to be believed, the Cishan culture would have ceased to exist. Or are you postulating a Chinese ark!

Carbon dating ties up with several isotopic dating techniques and also ties up with geological dating. Sorry!

Consider coal measures a mile underground dating around 300 million old. Nicely debunking creation!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Tue

“ the Cishan culture would have ceased to exist”

Supposing it really existed as far back as 6500 or 5000 BC. If these are carbon dates of the outer limits, this gives the real dates 2355 - 2153 BC for the outer limits according to this extract from my carbon tables:

2355 B. Chr.

0.596678 pmC/100 (or 59.6678 pmC) , so dated as 6605 B. Chr.

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2153 B. Chr.

0.706677 pmC/100 (or 70.6677 pmC), so dated as 5003 B. Chr.

Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html

What carbon dating is supposed to tie up with is much less interesting than the carbon dates themselves - as they tie up with Biblical chronology.

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Geoffrey Walden

1y

I don’t think even the pope believes the flood story

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Mon

Have you asked him?

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