Tuesday, October 22, 2024

AronRa on Abiogenesis


Evidence of Abiogenesis
AronRa | 26 Sept. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUUTmZP1UDA


in fact it's a multi-stage 6:03 series of unrelated processes in 6:04 different chemical environments building 6:06 to cumulative 6:08 effect


So far, I have seen no reasonable series of chemical processes leading cumulatively to life.

I have also not seen any reasonable series of changes that would lead from ape communication to human language.

I can reasonably trace Spanish oso to Latin ursum. I can plausibly trace English father to presumed Proto-Indo-European *pχtehr in a similar way, which doesn't prove it happened, like *pχtehr was never documented. That's why it's spelled with an asterisk. χ is often spelled H2, and h H1, χ and h is inserting the sometimes presumed probable phonetic values for H2 and H1.

I cannot on any similar lines represent a transition from sound = word = message to sounds make up a word, words make up a message (in technical terms phoneme, morpheme, phrase).

There would be two logically possible inbetweens.

Sound = word, but words make up a message.
Sounds make up a word, but word = message.

The latter squarely remains within messages being strictly emotive or pragmatic as opposed to notional, and the former, by having too few words, doesn't allow for a transition to notional either.

So, what is your favourite series of unrelated processes leading from chemicals to life?

8:35 I'd second the idea that radiometric dating methods other than carbon are too unreliable to bolster your resumé.

12:31 to 13:17

Was the RNA in the experiment from Tokyo (2022) done to RNA-oligomers catalysed by Montmorillonite?

I don't think so.

The paper on Montmorillonite contains this paragraph:

A surprising observation was that montmorillonite also catalyses the formation of vesicles (a spherical body encapsulating water inside a wall composed of linear, 10-carbon carboxylic acids; Hanczyc et al. 2003). In addition, some montmorillonite were incorporated into some of the vesicles. This suggests the possibility that the small activated monomers could diffuse through the wall of the vesicle and react on montmorillonite to form larger RNA oligomers that cannot pass out through the wall of the vesicle. This experiment has not been accomplished at this time, because the conditions required for RNA oligomer formation result in the destruction of the vesicle (Monnard et al. 2002).


So, the paper that you showed the caption of is not a successful experiment in one of the stages leading up to life, nor just a collection of such, but also involves clear BLOCKS to it.

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