Michael Lofton on Stabbing, Censorship and Islamophobia ...

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Reason & Theology | 16.IV.2024
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7:44 Good recovery to Mar Mari Emmanuel!

9:56 Speaking of which.

The Catholic Church absolutely does not allow killing Jews for being Jews, either for their race or, in the case of unbaptised Jews, for practising Judaism. While in principle the Inquisition had not just authority but also justice in punishing false Christian crypto-Jews, the Catholic Church has not called for any prolongation of this after 1820 or 1830, whichever year was the last year of the Spanish Inquisition.

It has not been a priority in countries which never had any threat of Jews betraying their country and after that at least a perceived threat of Jews falsely converting. The one country which perceived such a threat was Spain in 1492, that ended in 1830, we need not repeat.

However, obviously some NS people, some of whom were Catholics (though in the SS the Catholics were just 1/4, like the NS new religion of "Gottesgläubige", the 1/2 were Protestants).

Do you have any idea how many of the pro-NS priests would have supported NS policies against the Jews?

There were no per se pro-NS bishops even in Germany, but Monsignor Mayo de Lupe (a priest with Monsignor honours, not a bishop) compared the NS to the Teutonic Order. However, even that says nothing about how to treat Jews, and the comparison was partly unfair to the better people (there were obviously very bad ones too) in Operation Barbarossa. What the Teutonic Order did in 1410 or, the Baltic part, in 1525, was not Catholic. But as said, that statement is not any kind of endorsement to treat innocent Jews bad.

Also, the statement in a Franciscan Catechism on Apologetics with German Workers, from the Third Reich, on why La Commune didn't attack rich Rothschilds "weil die Sozialisten eine Judenschutztruppe sind" says more about rejecting Socialism than about endorsing attacks on Jews. You see, in the question, they had referred to other rich people that La Commune did sack the properties of, as well as destroying Churches, and the Franciscans didn't approve that either. It appears they did not know the Rothschild Hospital had treated Communards free of charge, so there was a question of gratitude.

So, do you know any actual person on record, in the Catholic clergy, who was pro-NS (as some priests, but no bishops were) who endorsed the poor treatment of Jews?

I don't think there was one, and one regularly hears allegations from some. I have family who take "The Deputy" for a documentary. But the work was a piece of fiction, which Hochhuth only wrote when Pius XII was dead and his defenders marginalised by Vatican II.

16:39 "So this verse discusses dealing with those who violated their agreements and attacked the Muslims"

Oh, is that a fact?

Unless every Christian on the Arabic Peninsula had betrayed Muhammed, which I doubt, the expression seems to lack some necessary distinctions ...

18:30 "should people sometimes qualify those 18:07 snide comments like that guy who said the religion of Peace strikes again and they called that islamophobia can some 18:14 people qualify that better of course they can you could qualify and say his his 18:20 particular group's interpretation of Islam strikes again clearly the religion 18:25 of Peace doesn't uh apply to his version of 18:31 Islam"

I'm reminded of a few Muslims in the homeless day shelter of the Centre Frédéric Ozanam in Versailles.

I was being pinpointed by some as an extremely fanatical Catholic.

Like, some people were viewing me as the Catholic potential equivalent of that stabber.

Now, the proof of that was, I went to St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, FSSPX, which some leftwing Catholics are giving the reputation of an NS stronghold.

So, a day when I went there, someone asked me what I thought of Pius XII.

I did not particularly condemn him, and someone else asked me why he betrayed the Jews.

I got angry at the crowd, and a lady from the Catholic volunteers over there, one who knew those Muslims (obviously not holding the stabber's ideology), thought that her only chance of saving me, if not from death, from a beating was to excuse me as a madman.

If those people had been into the extremes of Islamism (overtly), they would not have allowed that crowd the freedom to become a threat to me.

Days or weeks later, some Muslim boys from Tunisia, also not the version of the stabber, outside the other day shelter, were waiting for me.

They called me "Jesus!" and I said "no, my name isn't Jesus" and they wouldn't quit. They started to become threatening.

Some civil enforcement officers passed by, separated us, heard their version with intense interest and gave me the chance to get out of harm's way. In order to get my version of the facts heard by law and order in Versailles, I was told, if I really, really bothered, I'd need to go to the police station.

Once there, I had to wait and wait. That was an hour or more after my harrassers had told their version.

The police officer I had to do with there was one Karim Ounoughi. Care to guess if he was Catholic or Muslim?

And, if he was Muslim, he obviously was not of the ideology of the stabber.

So, he told me, these things were childishness, I shouldn't bother (about being involved in a blasphemy against Jesus!) and he wrote a PM, which I signed in fatigue.

It can be mentioned, before this happened, I had in fact been hospitalised the previous month, after trying to help a girl against what seemed like a psychiatric intervention.

At no point in my short stay among shrinks did I pretend to be Jesus, but some guys seem to have made the worst of it and really did know.

Some Muslims were involved in the personnel and one in the patients of that mental hospital, and the personnel certainly did not have the exact ideology of the stabber.

Nevertheless, they seem to have been pretty effective in fighting a Christian in another way.

Except, when they do not have that ideology, some Catholics won't call them out as persecutors.

20:51 "come back when you have ever actually studied theology"

"some people don't belong in these discussions, you are one of them"

Come on. You can see for yourself, there is a double threat.

a) from Muslims of a certain type (you may be less aware of Muslims of another type also being a threat to some, I tried to fix that)
b) from the part of authorities trying to strangle free speech.

Is your whole strategy to go on pretending we are still in the era before the internet, when discussions with a wide audience could easily exclude some by simply refusing them entrance into a physical room?

Doesn't seem like a very good way of saving the Christian West.

On the other hand, it seems like a very good way of making the case that those demonetising you want.

21:20 Saying "Islam is the religion of Satan" is not a strawman, since it is not meant for verbal discussion with Muslims in the first place. It's a warning, not one of the talking points for that warning.

I may disagree, I may think that Islam is a religion of Satan among some others, but the question of how Muslims take it is not uppermost in everyone's mind.

Oh, Muslims who take it badly could go to extremes like that stabber? That's making the case for what he was saying.

Or, no, that's not what you meant, you just think he should be silenced anyway? That's making the agenda of the Muslims of another ideology, right?

One which (as perhaps you didn't know, but now you should know it) on occasion also helps to persecute, if not spokesmen of Christianity at least individual Christians.

Now, what are on my view the other religions of Satan? I'd say the existence of real witchcraft (as in human sacrifice) would be the worst, but it is not uppermost right now. It's not likely to come out in the open directly in such a demonic way. The ones which could be the seven heads would be:

• Modernism for the lion of Pagan Babylon (mainly among Lutherans and Anglicans), it will not have wings after the lioness lost them
• some Orthodox spirituality for feet of a bear
• the general form of a leopard corresponds to four of the heads : Judaism, Islam, Calvinism and at least Theistic Freemasonry (with lots of Modernist Greek Orthodox)
• Communism (which involves psychiatry, evolution belief, mandatory spirit of tolerance between religions, no mandatory tolerance for atheists against religions, obviously also abortion, historically at least eugenics, which could come again ...).

With his reply to the first commenter in the feed he reads, he would seem to discredit himself as a friend of censorship when he's pretending to complain about censorship.