Sunday, January 19, 2025

Me on Emma Thorne on Kent Hovind on Emma Thorne ... First her Bible Contradiction, Then some Minor Quibbles, Answered


Kent Hovind's Funniest Mistake
Emma Thorne | 18 janv. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5JqQcNnfyo


I was out of luck in finding my earlier work involving Quirinius, which also simply references someone else.*

But I found a gold nugget.**

Lapis Tiburtinus was found in the 18th C. Papal archaeologists and all that.

It has no actual name, but features someone who was governor twice and who was so in Syria and who was successful in war ... which is a neat fit for other things we know about Quirinius.

This means, 6 AD was not necessarily the first time he held function in that region.

So, Josephus is decades after the events, and decades after St. Luke wrote mentioning a census that Quirinius certainly held in 6AD, which Luke mentions indirectly in Acts, in the comments of Gamaliel. This was NOT the same census.

The one in 6 AD would have been the first important Roman one in Judaea, which sparked a revolt which was brutally crushed. But that doesn't mean there was none in Galilee earlier on. I've suggested*** that St. Joseph by going to Bethlehem, apparently in a routine errand according to the terms of the order, made an act of tax evasion from the already Roman Province Galilee into Judaea which was just a protectorate as yet.

[tried to add]

How about the idea that Josephus was simply wrong in assuming Quirinius arrived in Syria only when Archelaos was banished?

16:49 Sorry, it's not the least unprofessional of him to pose the question, it helps to:

  • give the impression that he's consulting with others
  • give the viewers a chance to get the information
  • rest his voice while the other guy gives the information on the number.


28:03 Matthew 1:18 "Now the generation of Christ was in this wise."

Do you think that all the rest of the Gospel of Matthew is about the generation or birth of Christ?

I think the passage about His birth ends in the last verse, "she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

If you had fact checked, you might know that it is a debate, but a somewhat not too uncommon opinion that by the time when Jesus was visited by the Magi he was already two years old, I've seen the opposite opinion too.

28:39 Has it occurred to you that 1) he's answering your objection, as you stated it? 2) it's pretty prejudiced, not to say paranoid to call everything he ever says a conspiracy theory just because he's the one saying it, and no, an apologetic answer and a conspiracy theory, though they may coincide, are not the same concept.

33:14 "about two years earlier"

I'm not going to quote you as expert on that one.° 1887 he published a diary excerpt called Choses Vues, and an entry from 1845 contains:

Vous avez des ennemis? Mais c’est l’histoire de tout homme qui a fait une action grande ou créé une idée neuve. C’est la nuée qui bruit autour de tout ce qui brille. Il faut que la renommée ait des ennemis comme il faut que la lumière ait des moucherons. Ne vous en inquiétez pas; dédaignez! Ayez la sérénité dans votre esprit comme vous avez la limpidité dans votre vie. Ne donnez pas à vos ennemis cette joie de penser qu’ils vous affligent et qu’ils vous troublent. Soyez content, soyez joyeux soyez dédaigneux soyez fort.

Il hocha la tête tristement:— Cela vous est facile à dire à vous, Victor Hugo! Moi je suis faible. Oh! je me connais bien. Je sais mes limites.


That's so not two years before anything Churchill did (including get born, but for the publishing, however not including some random thing he did in 1889 when he was 15 years old).

34:34 It actually was pretty entertaining of you to make this much an exposure of cancel culture in action.°°

* Than myself, than my own research ... not than Quirinius.

** Also someone else I'm referencing:

LUKE 2:1-2: Was the Gospel Author Luke in Error When Referring to Quirinius the Governor of Syria?
https://christianpublishinghouse.co/2020/12/16/luke-21-2-was-the-gospel-author-luke-in-error-when-referring-to-quirinius-the-governor-of-syria/


*** Here, however, is a reference to my own what if moment:

somewhere else: Nativity Narrative Revisited
https://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.com/2022/07/nativity-narrative-revisited.html


° Real story of Hugo Quote:

You Have Enemies? Why, It Is the Story of Every Man Who Has Done a Great Deed or Created a New Idea
Posted byquoteresearch September 11, 2018
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/09/11/deed/


English translation: Things seen (Choses vues)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015008863600&seq=102


°° He actually is not the best shot YEC has to offer right now. When I used him as a reference, back in 2001~2002 when he had DrDino, he made more sense on Carbon dating than some things he's doing now. If you want to take a look, Genesis Baptist Church is his channel, but the info on how to be saved is somewhat erroneous.

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