Sunday, January 12, 2025

What's a Reich, and How Does This Connect to Biblical Prophecy?


What is a Reich? And why were there three of them?
rewboss | 8 July 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiX1OI0oM_I


Oh, kudos for being a Bavarian!

Lewis II of Bavaria wasn't too keen on being part of the Deutsches Reich ... in Vienna, he's pretty honoured. And in Disneyland too, obviously, thanks to Neuschwanstein.

3:18 Indeed, Sir!

Just take a look at the shape of the world since 1918. Pretty end time like already, with the Russian Revolution and so on ...

3:25 Not quite.

There had never been a time when they didn't claim to be successors to the Carolingian Empire, which, since Christmas Day 800, had claimed to supplant or at worst at least complement Constantinople as the continuing Roman Empire.

There was an Otto of Saxony who, before calling himself Roman Emperor, actually got a capitulation from the last effective ruler in the thiherto main Emperor claimant after Charles' son Lewis I, namely Berengar II. All three kingdoms, France, Germany, Italy, had been kind of partnering as successors to Carolingian Romanness, and Otto was by that token a Roman Patrician.

Once he took Italy, both he and the Pope were fine with him incarnating the Dignity of Emperor. However, hold in mind that the French monarchy was not totally unimperial. In regno Francie rex imperiali dignitate gaudet is a French legal maxim.

And the Frankish Kingdom had been a clear major successor state to the Roman Empire even before 800, since Clovis was baptised and anointed king in Rheims, which was in the kingdom of Syagrius, who was the purely Roman (but geographically cut off from Rome) successor to normal Roman rule in Gaul.

3:32 In 800, the Pope and Charlemagne had very good reason to NOT believe that Constantinople was the legitimate successor of the Roman Emperor.

The son of Irene was kind of threatening to put Iconoclasm back in the saddle, which was in itself barbaric, but his mother Irene averted this by blinding him (she's a saint to Greek Orthodox). Charlemagne and the Pope were like "we are happy Iconoclasm is over, but this was not civilised, you are Barbarians" ...

Whether this be correct or not, Constantinople had already given Clovis the dignity of Patrician. That is, to Constantinople, Frankia was not simply Unroman, but rather Roman, an Autonomous huge region under Constantinople's suzerainty, a suzerainty which lasted to 800.

By the way, if Constantinople is considered as legitimate or at least side legitimate next to Charlemagne, it had its own successor in Moscow with far less cultural and legal continuity, and it also ended in 1918, when Czar Nicolas II was shot.

3:53 Whether some Kaisers wanted to suggest that, and it seems one who ended up pushing his persecution victim Pope Innocent II to a reconciliation in Canossa, he might really have wanted to suggest that, nevertheless, the term Holy is warranted by the fact that a German King only actually becomes Emperor by anointing from the Pope. If he's only anointed in Frankfurt by one of the bishops there, he's Roman Emperor Elect, and German King.

4:35 I wouldn't call Kaiserreich Österreich, which took on immediately in 1806, a false start.

It was just territorially very truncated.

It was from sth like 1806 [actually earlier] that we got ...

Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser
by Joseph Haydn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtbu65YMVA


In 1848, it got reorganised so that Kingdom of Hungary was given a kind of independence, with personal union with the Kaisserreich of Austria. Like the opposite move to what happened in 1801 between England, Scotland and Ireland, which previously had been a personal union, but now became a united kingdom. Hence the first nouns in the name of the UK.

Austria, like Deutsches Reich version with Emperor, lasted monarchically to 1918.

5:05 The Austrian Emperor also outranked himself.

He was, from lower to higher end:
Archduke of Austria (which means only parts of modern Austria)
King of Hungary (which included easternmost part of modern Austria, plus Hungary and Croatia, and Transsylvania)
Emperor of Austria (which included all his territories outside Hungary, including Slovenia and for a time Venice, and obviously what Italians call Alto Adige).

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