Wednesday, November 12, 2008

...on Origin of peoples after flood (vs. C-14 and demographic misconsiderations)

Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: cloke20
03/12/05 01:52 pmMsg: 64175 of 64191

Which of the 40 plus radiometric dating methods are you referring to?
Just C-14, or are there others that you think are worthless as well?
Cloke

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 02:17 pmMsg: 64181 of 64191

When we are talking about a dating 50.000 years ago I am naturally referring to radiocarbon dating - C14. I think all of them worthless, because all of them depend on unverifiable premisses: C14 on the unverified and unverifiable premiss that the proportion between C14 and normal C12 in atmosphere has always been more or less as now, within the times that give us fossiles with remaining C14, U - Pb method, because equally depends on an unverified and unverifiable premiss, viz that all Pb of this certain isotope originally was U of that other isotope. And similarly for all or most of the other radiometric dating methods.

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 02:25 pmMsg: 64185 of 64191

"The way you rationalize some of the mythological stories is just an example of how poorly founded, and polluted your mind is by religion."

You are cloke? Or you are dhux? If the latter is not true, you share a lot of hatred of religion between you!

"There is no evidence for a global flood. Humankind cannot propagate and proliferate from a single man and woman, and neither can humankind succeed from the procreation of Noah's eight. The former being a geological impossibility, and the latter being a genetic impossibility."

Whom are you trying to kid? The "geologic impossibility" of a Flood "that leaves no traces" is answered by the sediments all over earth. The "genetic impossibility" of mankind descending from one and later three couples - the husbands of which were siblings - is based on what? The guess that the common ancestor is 1 million years old?

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: jimythegreek2000
03/12/05 07:56 amMsg: 64137 of 64191

George you missing basic knowlinge to understand the origin of the European languages.
Listen to the sounds, are they monotonic, lowsilabus, using a sertain prosphonima more than others [like the Germans or Arabs] They found graves south of Athens go back to 50,000 years ago. I can tell you they din't brink their bodys from India.

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 08:00 amMsg: 64138 of 64191

Have you got problems reading English? I never said Our languages or peoples came from India.
"They found graves south of Athens go back to 50,000 years ago. I can tell you they din't brink their bodys from India."
50,000 years according to worthless radiocarbon dating. Probably some time after the Flood in reality.

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 08:45 amMsg: 64147 of 64191

George: 50,000 years according to worthless radiocarbon dating. Probably some time after the Flood in reality.
dj: I din't know we had flood in Greece?
hgl: the Flood was all over earth. The story of Deucalion and Pyrrha who gave harbour to gods and were saved from the Flood conflates firstly the story of Noah who was faithful to the true God (Pagans could not be anxious to remember that) and was saved from the Flood with the story of Lot, who harboured angels (gods), even trying to save them from homosexual rape, and was saved from the destruction of Sodom (a destruction certain parts of ancient Greek society were not too keen to remember). The final part about Deucalion and Pyrrha remaking mankind by throwning "bones of Mother Earth" (stones) behind them echos "Dust thou art, to dust thou shalt return," spoken by God to Adam. It also solves the problem of how a mankind beginning (again) with one couple could propagate mankind for more than one extra generation - without involving the true solution that marriage between a son and a daughter of Adam and Eve was not incest because the sibling was the furthest off relation in that generation.

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 08:54 amMsg: 64151 of 64192
and following on thread
hgl: the Flood was all over earth. The story of Deucalion and Pyrrha who gave harbour to gods and were saved from the Flood conflates firstly the story of Noah who was faithful to the true God (Pagans >>
dj: Is anybody more intelegent there i can talk to?
hgl: the first Pope, St Peter, said that at the end of times people would be wilfully ignorant of the flood

dj: Peter the disciple sayd that?
hgl: that is him. In the first or second epistle
dj: That's strange, because the flood was locol problem, but must of been a bad one for people to talk so much about it.
hgl: saying it was local is one way of being ignorant of the fact that it was global - a punishing miracle by God
cloke: If this were true, you would be able to find supporting evidence for it today. You can't. Search for it, and it will forever elude you, because it doesn't exist.
hgl: Geologists have dug it up for us. In Juras the layers are called Juras. In Cambria or Wales the layers are called Cambrian. And so on. Sometimes the animals drowned by flood in Cambria are found somewhere else, and that is called Cambria. Sometimes the animals drowned by Flood in Juras are found somewhere else and you call that layer Juras. And so on, and so forth. And they are interpreted as different epochs, millions of years apart. The fact that you misinterpret the evidence does not mean it is not there: rather it makes you witnesses that the evidence you claim is lacking is there.

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Re: Reputable sources/lang. evolution
by: hglundahl (36/M/N Spain)
03/12/05 02:20 pmMsg: 64182 of 64192

hgl: the first Pope, St Peter, said that at the end of times people would be wilfully ignorant of the flood.
cloke: What matters is being able to prove that there was a global flood. There is absolutely zero evidence to support this claim. A massive and catastrophic local event is believable, but not a global one. The Bible, if it describes an actual event is guilty of trying to tell a truth with a few too many embellishments, and these embellishments turn the truth of the event into a lie.
hgl: the evidence for the flood include:
a) traditions about it all over earth (I was just talking about Deucalion tradition and how it relates to Biblical truth)
b) the strata of sediments, viewed by modern geology artificially as belonging to different periods and as founded in a long time.

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Hans Lundahl said...

...on Origin of peoples after flood (vs. C-14 and demographic misconsiderations)
...on Tower of Babel or language evolution

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Hans-Georg Lundahl said...

Flood local problem? Actually, Bossuet explains Deucalion and Pyrrha differently, by a conflation of Flood of Noah (worldwide) with a local flood in Thessalia whose survivors were Deucalion and Pyrrha.