Wednesday, November 26, 2008

...on religious persecution in Roman Empire

Re: Intelligent Design
by: hglundahl (34/M/Malmö) 10/17/03 08:37 am
Msg: 200481 of 200982

there are no remains of churches found anytime before the 4th century.

there are of catacombs though - were the Church gathered before they could appear publicly in basilicas.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 200459 by Parkers_Dog

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Re: Intelligent Design
by: hglundahl (34/M/Malmö) 10/17/03 07:36 pm
Msg: 200536 of 200982

are you illiterate?

or are you unaware that emperor Trajan ordered execution of Christians reported as such and persistently refusing to sacrifice to emperor?

or that marcaurelius, known in other respects as a philosopher was one of the persecutors?

Posted as a reply to: Msg 200517 by Statman_

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Re: Intelligent Design
by: hglundahl (34/M/Malmö) 10/18/03 11:00 am
Msg: 200592 of 200982

I named two of the emperors generally known to be benign to their non-christian subjects. I named two fairly early ones to illustrate antichristian legislation as "valid" under later ones.

My point, unless you are retarded should be obvious: if Marc Aurelius and Trajan were prepared to throw any Christian reported to the beasts, what would you expect from generally cruel ones like Nero and Domitian or Decius and Maximian Daja, not to mention if a law-abiding emperor so early was prepared to treat Christians like a sort of traitors (according to the hysteric and hateful assessment of Celsus) what do you expect from later law-abiding ones falling back on their laws, like Diocletian?

Another point of making same illustration is that of 260 popes, c 100 reigned between Nero and Constantine, and there were no papal abdications.

Posted as a reply to: Msg 200543 by Statman_


Roman Law is in fact a very Christian thing. Codex Iuris Civilis is by Emperor Justinian, and was unknown to Nero and Domitian up to Diocletian and Maximianus Daja.

It was written on a codex, that is a book as the books we have. Nero only had scrolls. The codex books on vellum, eventually with Uncial and lower case letters are a Christian invention, and predate the famous Roman Law.

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