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Monday, March 10, 2025
How Many Jews Will Tovia Singer Convert to Christianity?
Did Jacob Predict the Coming of Jesus When He Blessed Judah? - Rabbi Tovia Singer
Tovia Singer | 9 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP6Ijeoq3cg
3:39 I think you are actually wrong.
The staff of kingship means sovereignty.
While you may not count Daniel 13 as Scripture, you would count it as history. Susanna was going to be stoned, except that Daniel proved her innocense. And, here is the kicker, no one from the Babylonian side was interfering. When Stephen was stoned, Paul had to keep the cloaks as well as keeping a lookout for Romans, or the Romans would have interrupted that. But in Babylon, it was not like that.
So, from King David on, Judah always enjoyed sovereignty. Up to Herod the Great and Archelaos. THEN the Romans took that away.
So, the Messiah already came, more precisely under Herod the Great's autonomy, he was not completely sovereign, but he could send soldiers to some villages. Herod Antipas couldn't.
He had the capacity to put John the Baptist into prison, but not to make a public execution, this prophet was murdered in prison.
And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison
[Matthew 14:10]
Pilate therefore said to them: Take him you, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him: It is not lawful for us to put any man to death
[John 18:31]
They didn't mean according to the Torah, they meant according to the Romans. BY THEN the Messiah had already come.
4:14 I obviously disagree about the Maccabeans.
While they were not of the line of Judah, but of Levi, they were doing rule of a sovereign kind in Judah, and therefore they guaranteed the non-interruption of sovereignty or near-sovereignty from King David to ... 6 AD. Before which, Jesus had come.
4:47 We admit there was for certain periods no Davidic King, but we do not admit there was no sovereignty.
Royal staffs in the hands of actual kings or "royal staffs held in keeping" by judges or priests or other people who could exercise an authority of sovereignty or near-sovereignty.
Like the Maccabees against Antiochus, like Daniel under Nebuchadnezzar. Unless you will say Daniel 13 is a complete fabrication, on top of excluding it from Scripture. I somehow don't think you will.
5:11 "if you have a king, it will have to be a Davidic king"
This is not grammatically possible.
The blessing said Judah was not going to lack kingship, i e for instance the right to execute criminals (publically, not by lynching or murdering someone in prison who wasn't even technically accused of a crime).
5:59 I did look it up. The next verse says:
And after this the children of Israel shall return, and shall seek the Lord their God, and David their king: and they shall fear the Lord, and his goodness in the last days
[Osee (Hosea) 3:5]
So, this doesn't mean the Messiah hasn't come yet, it means the Jews had not converted yet during the "many days" ...
Osee 3:5 ... parallels the prophecy in Apocalypse 7. In the end times, Jews will convert.
"shall return, and shall seek the Lord their God" obviously means a conversion, not just coming back physically to the Holy Land.
6:52 Osee only said so of the children of Israel.
For the children of Israel shall sit many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without altar, and without ephod, and without theraphim
[Osee (Hosea) 3:4]
But by then the Messiah already has, for long time, had the Gentiles:
The sceptre shall not be taken away from Juda, nor a ruler from his thigh, till he come that is to be sent, and he shall be the expectation of nations
[Genesis 49:10]
So, Osee and Genesis 49 together make perfect sense if the Messiah is a Davidic King, but one who "for many days" is ruling over Gentiles rather than over children of Israel. Which is precisely what the Catholic Church claims has happened. And, by the way, I do not condone Antipope Ratzinger and his taking a distance from "replacement theology" ....
7:05 Sacrifice ... it's again only the children of Israel who are without a sacrifice.
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts
[Malachias (Malachi) 1:11]
We have an altar, whereof they have no power to eat who serve the tabernacle
[Hebrews 13:10]
So, Jews lost the right to public sacrifice a bit later than the one to sovereignty. By then a sacrifice that was ongoing among the Gentiles for the last 2000 years and still is, was already in place.
No, Genesis 49:10 is very far from a nightmare for the Catholic Church.
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