... on Misdefining Paedophilia, bis

Is Your Virginity Something Special?
Jenn | 21.VI.2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3P6cLiIWs

I

0:56 I am reminded a bit of Alexandra Kollontai ... "having sex is like drinking a glass of water" (as in no more special than that) "to me" ...

II

1:26 "a way to keep kids from having sex"

Kids don't usually tend to enjoy sex. They prefer chocolate (in tablets and in cups), mint, marshmallows, stories not involving sex or not involving sex described in detail.

You meant children, right?

III

1:53 If he didn't use a condom and you didn't use a pill, it could very well have been lifechanging. Your bad luck if it wasn't, if so.

[In other words, she is misusing language, she is not talking of children.]

IV

3:03 I don't think most girls or boys of 9, 10, 11 have ANY pressure to have sex. I hope they don't.

V

If you mentioned "outdated" you implied "old times".

I think by kids you might have meant not actual children, but young adults, essentially teens.

You know, a boy from 14 + some months (with a normal variation one year either way), or a girl from 12 + some months (dito) can have sex and can have children. I e, they are not children any more.

Virginity to marriage means, not "wait to 18" in that context, but "wait till you are married". I e, otherwise the gal or guy you end up getting married to can be wounded, you can come to bed with someone else's child in you or in a girl you left, you can come to bed with a disease.

And "to marriage" at least for gals did not mean "to 18".

Take a look at one lineage from St Louis IX to Early Modern Times:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Mariages entre St Louis IX et Françoise de Rohan : une lignée
http://filolohika.blogspot.com/2018/06/mariages-entre-st-louis-ix-et-francoise.html

VI

This video explains the subject nearly good, but "teen pregnancy" and "adolescent sex" are cited as problem behaviours, presumably irrespectively of marriage or not marriage in studies the priest finds "scientific":

Why is fornication or adultery considered a sin in Christianity?
Coptic Orthodox Answers | 9.XI.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_e66QhQydw

Obviously, a girl married at 13 cn normally have sex at 13, a girl not married at 20 should not have sex at 20, and dito for the guys ...

Youtuber Jenn attempts to normalise Pedophilia and Hebephilia
Dead Spinster | 4.V.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VehU7kZwsvw

I

I have just seen one more reason why CSL hated the word "kids".

It's too imprecise as to what age it refers to.

II

7:21 at stats:

62,936 "child" victims

Of these:
1,660 + 8,802 + 10,827 + 11,600 = 32,889
= really unambiguously children (ages 1 or less to 11)

16,560 = children if boys, not if girls (maturity being at lower limit 12 for girls, higher limit 14 for boys)

13,133 + 354 = 13,487 NOT children (ages 14 to 21).

Lets hope Jenn was talking about boys 14 to 21 and girls 12 to 21 ...

Btw, I note the words "reported".

"This report was prepared by the Children’s Bureau (Administration on Children, Youth and Families, Administration for Children and Families) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services."

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm2012.pdf

It does perhaps not detail how many of the reports resulted in convictions in justice?

III

dialogue:

Victoria V

she's been abused at an early age and she's been mind controlled. hopefully she is infertile because she should NEVER have kids or be around them.

Skipping

some of the responses, going down to the one before mine. Before my answer to Victoria V.

kryten4k

BulbasaurUseVinewhip
Islam is rape central for children, it is part if the religion

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"hopefully she is infertile because she should NEVER have kids or be around them."

If you think that, you are heeding doctrines of evil spirits.

[1] Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, [2] Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, [3] Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. [4] For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving: [5] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

First Epistle Of Saint Paul To Timothy : Chapter 4
http://drbo.org/chapter/61004.htm

kryten4k

I so hate religion, it promotes child rape, slavery and murder. Fact is religion isn't needed anymore....let it go

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I am sorry, @kryten4k - I wonder what YOU consider as "child" rape?

If you meant Islam, a nine ye[a]r old girl is of course statistically likely to be still a real child. But in some cases puberty sets in early.

kryten4k

Just because somebody hits puberty it isn't open season on their sexuality, pedophiles are all the same, any excuse to justify their perversion. Basically if you are an adult and have sexual thoughts about children then you are an abomination rather than 'misunderstood', children's minds are seriously screwed up after these pathetic predators have targeted them. The only good thing about this is when they get caught and 'incidentally' get put into mainstream prison only then true justice is carried out. (apart from the cleaning staff that have to clear the mess)

Skipping

another response to Victoria

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I am sorry, but if someone is in normal puberty, that person is no longer a child.

If someone can have children, that someone is not a child, except if the puberty is abnormally early.

And, "perversion" is measured against the standard of normal sex being intended to be fertile.

kryten4k

I am sorry but there is much more involved in classifying an adult. Puberty isn't the deciding factor. Again, it is irreverent since we know pedophiles are perverts trying to find an 'IN' to access children. Perversion is a perfectly valid description when describing an older adult having sexual thoughts about children. Dumbass pedophiles always lose the argument when presented with the question of is it ok to have sex with a 9 year old child... They will go into bullshit arguments about age of consent, puberty, cultural differences, etc but all roads lead back to sick people trying to justify child rape.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"I am sorry but there is much more involved in classifying an adult. Puberty isn't the deciding factor."

NORMAL puberty is, as to the age past childhood which is relavant for marriage.

"Again, it is irreverent since we know pedophiles are perverts trying to find an 'IN' to access children. "

Would be irrelevant if talking about teen marriage in positive terms stamped you as a pedophile and if "pedophilia" were a well defined concept.

"Perversion is a perfectly valid description when describing an older adult having sexual thoughts about children."

Precisely poses the question what is a child.

Two factors are included : the brain development finished at age 12 and the puberty making someone fertile.

In a child of 9 - that's Muslims, not me saying they are licit for marriage - the brain development would be lacking though in exceptional cases puberty is not. (The cases may be less exceptional among Arabs than among Europeans).

kryten4k

The past is for knuckle draging savages....NOT what we want for today's morals and law and order. So by your own words: "a nine yer old girl is of course statistically likely to be still a real child. But in some cases puberty sets in early" do you think is is ok for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old girl if she had her period?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"The past is for knuckle draging savages....NOT what we want for today's morals and law and order."

You just disqualified yourself from discussing morals.

"do you think is is ok for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old girl if she had her period?"

I do not think so, I just said there is also a brain development finishing at 12 (there is another one after 12, but it's not relevant to lifelong sexual consent a k a marriage, since taste is a simple decision).

I am also not a Muslim. Catholicism has had the limit 14 for boys and 12 for girls (brain development + NORMAL puberty, neither precocious nor delayed) for centuries. I will however say, a Muslim thinking it was ok is less disgusting, for instance, than a Talmudic Jew saying a girl of 3 and a half years and a day could be married (historically, not typical, I hope, for today's Jewry in the West). It is also partly exonerated since Mohammed lived in Arabic Peninsula, outside historic limits of Roman and Byzantine civilisation. It's understandable as it would be in a Tibetan foreigner or in a South Sea savage.

[Thought this had not been published, hence my next comment partly repeats ths one.]

kryten4k

I stand by my comments, pedophiles are perverts trying to justify their sick twisted ways and are attempting to gain acceptance when we all know they shouldn't be breathing. Actually it WAS you that mentioned that children could have their period earlier which suggest to me that you somehow have a selective memory about what you state. Children having sex with children is very very very different with a sick 30 year old having sex with a child and you know this. There are cases where children having sex with each other has happened however it is at no point a justification for a pervert with a degraded mind to rape a child. Rape by the way is having sex with an under aged child, I thought you needed to hear that since it is such a confusing point for you. Don't try to muddy the waters, you and I both know it is wrong and I can see through your attempts to normalize sex with young children. I hope some day you and I can 'catch up' because I am tired of perverted predators like yourself waiting for opportunities to sexually gratify yourself at the expense of children's lives. Such a sad pathetic life you live, go seek help before an angry parent finds you. Save yourself while you still can...

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"The past is for knuckle draging savages....NOT what we want for today's morals and law and order."

You just disqualified yourself from discussing morals.

Universally valid morals are unchangeable.

"So by your own words: "a nine yer old girl is of course statistically likely to be still a real child. But in some cases puberty sets in early" do you think is is ok for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old girl if she had her period?"

50 year old man is irrelevant, she is too young, due to that brain development settling at 12 (there is another later one, which is irrelevant here, since marriage is a question of taste, not experience).

However, I am not a Muslim, the Catholic Church has for centuries had the 14/12 limit. 14 male and 12 female partner of a marriage.

I find it however more excusable than if she had been way under 9 (Aysha, I believe you are referring to) and had not had her period. Also, Arabic Peninsula was a "savage" land outside proper civilisation and learning.

kryten4k

You are a pedophile and therefore you don't get to state who is disqualified, you are the lowest of the lowest which is why you hide behind anonymous text online instead of telling the world what you think in public. Your thinking is precisely savagery which makes my statement qualified since no sane culture allows sex with children and this is a known fact by me and YOU. Again stop trying to dodge reality, sex with children is sick and perverted. Seek help sicko.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Actually it WAS you that mentioned that children could have their period earlier which suggest to me that you somehow have a selective memory about what you state."

I did not deny stating that.

I did deny a very early period justified a very early marital age, like 9.

The Catholic Church has considered the age limit for "under aged child" to "maritable" at 14 / 12.

I stand by it.

"pedophiles are perverts"

How do YOU define "pedophile"? How do YOU define "pervert"?

"Children having sex with children is very very very different with a sick 30 year old having sex with a child and you know this."

If two people same age actually have sex, NEITHER is a child, and if you don't know it, you should. Two five year olds or two nine year olds can't have sex.

Children cannot get or make pregnant. (Excepting extreme early age).

"Rape by the way is having sex with an under aged child"

In France and Sweden, that is a separate offense from rape.

Rape in France involves taking advantage by violence, threat of violence, surprise.

[Think there was another one too, "incapacity"? but was not sure which.]

I happen to be in France, not US.

So, I am very sorry, but your present day US age limits for underage and your present day US definition of rape, btw varying from state to state at least as to underage, is NOT a universal.

As you started to call me confused for not treating it as such, I think YOU are culturally confused and needed to hear that.

"I can see through your attempts to normalize sex with young children."

I am NOT trying to normalise "sex" with with children, let alone young such, as in babies or toddlers. I am promoting the old and reasonable age limit - as opposed to the modern and idiotic one.

YOUR age limits have resulted in so many fornications leading to abortion rather than marriage.

Now sex with young adults (as in teens and twenties) is quite another matter.

"I am tired of perverted predators like yourself waiting for opportunities to sexually gratify yourself at the expense of children's lives."

Get a clue.

I am trying to get married and I am not discriminating against young adults above 18.

Parents like you have however (btw, are you an overhysteric parent?) muddied the waters about me, and spread evil rumours - leading to some disruptions of my plans to get married, more than once. AND you can of course exploit that to pretend I am waiting to exploit the next child who is really a child.

"when we all know they shouldn't be breathing."

Are you SERIOUSLY putting desire for a teen on par with desire for a toddler?

And as you said a teen having sex with a teen is no big deal, how many teen boys today have a possibility to be a breadwinner for the teen girl and her baby? More like the 30 year old man could be so ... right?

But perhaps you are a butcher of babies as well as of men and you would prefer abortion, if a teen gets pregnant?

kryten4k

The reason why you are having trouble with “evil rumours “ is because you have been found out and now you’re on the sex offender register, the things you do in life catch up to you. Since you stated so many dumb things I don’t care enough to address them all but you and I know who you are and I can tell by the way you try to normalise pedophilia that you’re a pervert And should never go near children or schools. Get help and stop trying to defend pedophiles with bullshit.

Evolved Love

kryten4k thank you

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"The reason why you are having trouble with “evil rumours “ is because you have been found out and now you’re on the sex offender register, the things you do in life catch up to you."

Oh, am I?

No. I have been in prison, for quite another thing - defending myself against a police trying to bring me to a shrink - and after I came out parts of the backstory, which would NOT have sufficed to put me on such a thing, were distorted into my being in prison for a sex offense, which is not true.

So, no, if you can't show a sex offender register where the name Hans Georg Lundahl is on it, you shut up with insults and calumny!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Evolved Love - are you thanking kryten4k for being a jerk to me?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Since you stated so many dumb things I don’t care enough to address them all but you and I know who you are and I can tell by the way you try to normalise pedophilia that you’re a pervert"

Oh, you can tell by that - and not by seeing me on a sex offender register as you claimed I was ...

In other words, you try to dumb down the debate by accusing everyone disagreeing with you.

kryten4k

Hans-Georg Lundahl
I’m afraid I just don’t believe you, first you defend pedophiles and attempt to down play sex with children as somewhat normal then you say you have done time for ‘defending yourself from the police ‘, how on Earth can you be trusted as a moral or stable source of information? Are you that brain damaged that you think it’s a good idea to front up to the cops with aggression, what the hell is wrong with you? You need a wake up call, you are on the wrong side somehow because that is way too much drama in your life without you somehow contributing to it! Grow the fuck up man an have some sensitivity for the children that have had their lives ruined by these monsters...and yet you actually defend this scum. Wake up!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"I’m afraid I just don’t believe you,"

You might want to learn to read calmly before you do.

"first you defend pedophiles"

No.

"and attempt to down play sex with children as somewhat normal"

I do downplay sex within precocious and invalid marriaged to precociously early puberty cases COMPARED TO real sex with obvious in any way or mode children, like toddlers. If the buzz word "pedophilia" has made you think these two are the same thing - think again (even if it is hard for you).

My main point though was to defend heterosexual hebephilia, and the centuries long valid Catholic age limits.

"then you say you have done time for ‘defending yourself from the police ‘,"

Yes, from 1998 to 2000.

"how on Earth can you be trusted as a moral or stable source of information?"

Perhaps a hysteric like you can't.

"Are you that brain damaged that you think it’s a good idea to front up to the cops with aggression, what the hell is wrong with you?"

There are situations in which it is a licit thing. And waiting till they and shrinks ruined my life by my not defending myself would not have been advantageous, as far as I can see.

"You need a wake up call,"

That's what the police and some others might have thought too ...

"you are on the wrong side somehow because that is way too much drama in your life without you somehow contributing to it!"

Contributing is one thing, contributing proportionately to the hysteria some have built up around me is another thing.

"Grow the fuck up man an have some sensitivity for the children that have had their lives ruined by these monsters"

In case a real child has had his or her life really ruined by a real monster willing to prey on (using the word cautiously) actual children, why would you believe I do not have sensitivity?

Perhaps it's you who lack it, since you have none for teens having their lives ruined by abortions and late marital ages after a pregnancy, which could otherwise have led to a fairly normal life.

Note, extremely well, a teen who gets pregnant is NOT a child.

"and yet you actually defend this scum. Wake up!"

Get a cup of coffee, and read what I wrote once again, in context.

Here is the link (under second video, III):

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : ... on Misdefining Paedophilia, bis
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/08/on-misdefining-paedophilia-bis.html

IV

also dialogue, if a short one.

It's NOW Or NEVER

I was molested at 6 years old. I'm in my mid 30's now and still till this day it has caused me great stress. Anxiety. Anger issues. Anger more so in teen years and early 20's. Drug use. There's a reason 75% of opiate addicts report sexual abuse as children. Hmmm wonder why. Dope kills pain. Abd molested children have a lot. And my case wasn't as bad as some people's. But never the less it left a mark on me I've had to carry through life. Even though I stopped blaming myself and at peace with it. Damage had been done.

Skipping

some of the responses, going down mine.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"I was molested at 6 years old."

Are you anywhere near sure Jenn was talking about 6 year olds when saying "kids"?

I hope she was not.

Some, like kryzen4k seem to use both "kids" and even children of teens after puberty set in if they are just underage.