HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS : Palestine · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Noahide Aberration
I just said Rob Skiba II was wrong on flat earth, and he is wrong on one or two here too, but he has something important to say:
The Noahide Law & Christians Allied Against Torah [mirror]
Rob Skiba | 1.IV.2019 (but mirrors one from another date)
- "This is a mirror of a video uploaded by Justin Best"
And which was not from April 1.
Note very well, the Thomistic concept of Natural law is not identic to the concept of Seven Noahide laws.
Note also, the halakhic ritual laws are on a Catholic view not so much abolished as voided.
Each of them said "Christ will come" while Catholic liturgy says "Christ has come".
Note also, Talmudists count us Catholics as not having our religion from God come in the flesh, but as Gentiles having made a religion for ourselves, on top of the seven Noahide laws ....
Note also, carefully, Catholic liturgy mirrors OT Jewish liturgy in many details.
This means, the death threat is not just on Torah keeping Christians, it is also on Catholics.
- 15:37 Here you stray into false history.
"[and it became illegal to keep the Torah because of the] birth of the Roman Church and their hatred for anything labelled Jewish"
Have you read Matthew 28:20? What does "all days" mean?
Are IVth C through much of XXth C an acceptable exception to "all days"?
On Roman Catholic (as well as Greek/Russian Orthodox, as well as Nestorian, Coptic, Armenian) there is no such thing as an acceptable exception to "all days". "All days" means precisely "all days". Can the world exist for one hour without one single Christian actually being in the True Church which Chirst founded? Perhaps. Can the world exist 24 hours without it? Nope and nope.
You cannot say you are practising true Christianity and at the same time say that what you practise was outlawed (and treated as outlawed by true Christians) for about 16 centuries.
Let us also note, Catholic liturgy is by definition "man made tradition", in most details (form of sacraments excepted).
Did Jesus say man made tradition is wrong just because?
He seems to have kept Chanukkah, which clearly is a feast not from the Torah, but commemorating a later event (the cleansing of the temple in the Maccabean era).
Do you recall the claim December 25 is "Nimrod's birthday"?
At the very worst, it is based on St John Crysostom mistaking the sacrifice of Zacharias in Luke 1 for a Yom Kippur sacrifice in the Holy of Holies. Making Our Lord's birth 15 months after Yom Kippur.
But even if it were not a correct understanding behind Christmas, there was certainly no intention of celebrating 25 of Tevet by translating Tevet as December, since Tevet in a lunisolar calendar actually varies between December and January, earliest date for 25 Tevet I could get by counting forward from Chanukkah dates 2013 to 2033 was December 28 or December 29.
And median date was actually January 11 or January 12. Not just after Gregorian December 25, but even after Julian December 25 (these two centuries around 2000, it is Gregorian January 7).
I did not go so deep into the research as to verify which of the years Chanukkah ended on 2 and which ones it ended on 3 Tevet.
19:14 "[and a new religion was created] late in the first century"
On this view, Christianity would be false, since the promise of "all days" (Matthew 28:20) has if so not been kept.
This false history plays right into the hands of the Talmudists.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Now, I have for my part not been mixing Noahidism and Hebrew Roots, either with each other or with 7DA.
I am none of the three, have some experience of all of them, and I actually consider Noahidism least attractive.
I don't know if you know of a Swedish goth forum called "helgon.net" but I was on it, came back twice after being thrown out until I left third time after a freemason or similar minded person tried to put a hex on me, a curse which so far has worked out by the way, and I encountered one Talmudist and one Noahide ... it is abhorrent to me to be around people who are so subservient to Talmudists and so uppity against everyone else.
Well I already mentioned one promise of His.
He also said to a set clergy among His disciples : He who heareth you, heareth me and him who sent me.
Hence, obedience to Catholic clergy on ritual.
- Yoel Cohen
- Noahidism was God's intructions to Noah to prevent the world from being destroyed ever again. God said He made a covenant with Noah and his sons but doesn't explain what those are in the Torah. They are actually found in the Talmud.
Noah and his children should remember them, its not our responsibility to remind them. Since God knew the nations of the world would not study or learn them and forget them He included them in the Oral Torah i.e. Talmud.
How would you know about Noah if you didn't study the Torah? You wouldn't. Don't claim the moral high ground that Judaism is adding to the words of God. On the contrary we are the ones with the words of God. God sent us ALL of the prophets. Only Jews can be prophets after Moses. Why? Because we have the truth and the nations do not. If you want to know ask the Jews!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Yoel Cohen "God said He made a covenant with Noah and his sons but doesn't explain what those are in the Torah."
There are indeed things which God has not told Moses to write in Genesis.
Like who Melchisedec is.
"They are actually found in the Talmud."
No, your Talmud is a dirtied well as to the tradition from Moses, the day your synagogue said before Pilate "we have no King but Caesar" you rejected God.
We Catholics are the ones who truly have the right tradition.
Not you Jews.
"Don't claim the moral high ground that Judaism is adding to the words of God. On the contrary we are the ones with the words of God. God sent us ALL of the prophets. Only Jews can be prophets after Moses. Why? Because we have the truth and the nations do not. If you want to know ask the Jews!"
This was very true up to the occasion when you rejected God and told a Gentile to crucify Him.
In other words, it was true up to the crime of Kaiaphas. It is no longer truth.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- 16:31 Speaking of lawlessness.
7DA would pretend that implementing Sunday laws, enforcing rest on Sundays, would equal forcing Christians to break the "IV Commandment" according to this reckoning.
But is this not totally backhanded?
The commandment does not state that one shall work in business all six days other than Sabbath.
Jews who lived in countries with Sunday laws have in fact worked on Sundays under two circumstances:
- as living in Jewries as non-citizens of the surrounding state, they were free to have their own legislation internal to that Jewry;
- and when living in secularised times, they have used Sundays as ideal days for a picnic.
When the commandment was given to Israelites, it was in the desert.
There, they were normally not doing business, but gathering mannah during the six days when work was lawful. However, gathering mannah is a home chore and therefore, as long as the Sunday laws don't prohibit home chores on Sundays or force people to do either business or home chores on Saturdays (Friday Sunset to Saturday Nightfall) against their conscience, the Sunday laws do not interfere with Sabbath keepers keeping what they think the "IV Commandment" (III actually) commands.
However, being against Sunday laws coincides very neatly with the Noahide agenda. It means Jewish employers can force Christian employees into either full blow Orthodox Jewish conversion (i e apostasy) or Noahidism (working on Sundays against their conscience, or if adapting their conscience to it - apostasy).
I recall having an employer who gave us Saturdays free and had us working on Sundays. Not one of my best memories.
- Yoel Cohen
- God says to Adam and Eve you shall work with the sweat of your brow. They must work all week. They are not given a Shabbat or rest day. They can rest but should not make religious holidays or festivals. God assures Jews that the nations that do shall eventually be forced to work.
The Creator doesn't want you to observe the Sabbath which is biblical. The Creator wants you to work and be productive.
Jews work by keeping the commandments of God. We are promised God will look after us and bless the work of our hands. But the gentiles are blessed through hard work. Jews are above nature - our existence is a miracle. The gentiles are governed by nature.
Also in the New Testament it says "Jesus is your rest" not to observe Sunday like the Sabbath. Sunday was chosen as Christians day of Worshipping Jesus. There is no New Testament Scripture I have found prohibiting work. Indeed many Christians work on the day. Most Christian countries made the day a public holiday because they want to rest after a difficult week if they don't get any other days with tie off.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Yoel Cohen "There is no New Testament Scripture I have found prohibiting work."
There is however a NT Scripture stating to the earliest Catholic clergy "who heareth you heareth me".
Also, there is a duty to sanctify the Lord's day, as is evident from Acts.
Now, there is no time in Church history during which we have a record of a direct change from Sabbath to Sunday, but since first Christians were from Judaea, Galilaea and somewhat from Samaria, such a change must have occurred, we must conclude it occurred after Pentecost in a very short time.
A strict forbidding of work is indeed not given in the NT, the OT very strict forbidding of bodily work was a prophetic symbol of Our Lord's rest in the grave.
Having worked during the OT on a Sabbath is like having in NT times denied Our Lord's body rested lifeless in the grave - heresy.
"Indeed many Christians work on the day."
We consider it lawful in certain types of work and illicit in other ones.
Normally, a grocery store should not be open on Sundays, however, it depends on how hospitable people are to homeless who cannot keep food from Starurday to Sunday and are more likely usually to get money than meals.
Restaurants and hospitals should have a minimum service, as should the military guards.
Banking (even without taking of interest) and field works should not be done on a Sunday.
"God says to Adam and Eve you shall work with the sweat of your brow."
Correct so far.
"They must work all week."
Does not follow.
"They are not given a Shabbat or rest day."
We are not told they were.
"They can rest but should not make religious holidays or festivals."
- Jews not descended from Adam and Eve?
- Jews not allowed to celebrate Chanukkah and Purim?
During the OT period when Mosaic covenant was valid, the Jewish Church had the right to institute feasts according to God's good deeds to Israel. Since the Catholic Church is now the true Israel, the Catholic Church now holds this right.
What you say is also contrary to another pretense of Jewry, namely that Melchisedec must have been doing Aaronitic type sacrifices.
No, he sacrificed to God in bread and wine (as Aaronite priests did in beer and wheat flour). Either he invented this sacrifice or God instructed him in a way not told in Genesis. This is good sense, but some Jewry pretend, first he was Shem, and second, he was sacrificing the exact same sacrifices as those by Aaronite priests.
Why would all sacrifice from Abel to Jethro have been halakhic, but there be no halakhic day of rest in that period?
"God assures Jews that the nations that do shall eventually be forced to work."
You do not know God.
"The Creator doesn't want you to observe the Sabbath which is biblical. The Creator wants you to work and be productive."
Again, you do not know God.
We Catholics do.
"Jews are above nature - our existence is a miracle. The gentiles are governed by nature."
Both Jews and Gentiles are bodily existing from nature, both Jews and Gentiles have to follow the law of nature (which is not your idea of seven Noahic laws), and both Jews and Gentiles have a Biblical home in the Catholic Church, while the Jewish Synagogue is a Synagogue of Satan.