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Commenting on Taylor Marshall's "10 Differences"

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10 Differences between Catholics and Protestants
Dr Taylor Marshall, 2 March 2023

1:17 Beginning in 1517 - wrong. In 1517 he was a Jansenist, not a Protestant.

This is pretty clear from Exsurge Domine.

I don't even have a Masters of Arts, and you are a Doctor?

However, five years later, after meating other Protestants and after the stay at the Wartburg castle, yes, by then he was a Protestant.

7:07 Please note, Lutherans and Anglicans generally tend to believe in the Real Presence in some sense, with positions ranging from rarely fullblown Zwinglian or Calvinist positions to nearly Catholic ones, accepting even Transsubstantiation, but not the Sacrifice of the Mass.

Once someone who accepts Real Presence comes to also accepts the Sacrifice of the Mass, he generally converts, either to Catholic or to Orthodox.

In some cases, it's the other way round, for instance I was in the process of converting before accepting the Sacrifice of the Mass.

12:55 Actually, Luther said there were three. Confession third.

Anglicans have a complicated theory : 7 sacraments, but only 2 "Gospel sacraments" ... it's because of them that Lutherans have as of late (about a century or century and a half ago) resumed having a rite referred to as Confirmation.

John-Otto Liljenstolpe
Actually Lutherans as well as Anglicans practice all seven of the religious ceremonies Catholics refer to as "sacraments."

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@John-Otto Liljenstolpe By now, this is true.

However, among Lutherans this was not always so, I heard confirmation was reintroduced by influence from Anglicans (more than 100 years ago).

13:37 While technically and nominally, all Protestants believe in "justification by faith alone" - Luther and Jonathan Edwards arguably didn't mean the same thing.

14:53 I'm reminded of a certain back then Lutheran Benedictine who preached synergy.

He was more rooted in Church Fathers than in Luther.

Perhaps no big surprise he helped to push me to Catholicism, and perhaps also no big surprise with some even longer protraction than I had shown as a teen, he converted too. Caesarius Cavallin is one of the more traditional leaning in the Diocese of Stockholm.

16:41 One who didn't take that extra step on converting, but who while technically Protestant believed in some kind of Purgatory (though it had to be different from the "Romish doctrine of Purgatory" but not necessarily from Dante), was C. S. Lewis.