Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Answering Netanyahu · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Moral Clarity: Two Wrongs Don't Make One Right
My comments under the video, recopied here, are not one long rant, though it may perhaps approach that degree of coherence in parts. It is a series of replies to things said in the video. Here, instead of time stamps beginning each, I have made horizontal rulers between each two of them.
SHOCKING Transformation: He Was Pro-Palestine Until He Saw THIS About Israel!
OtherBarak | 28 Dec. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyUNk_IQ8QQ
Do you consider that Manis Fridman is a purveyor of Pro-Palestinian emotion?
Or that Netanyahu is?
Manis pretends that a) a Palestinian whose house is above a tunnel used by Hamas is licit as collateral target and b) that a Palestinian (presumably including a Christian Palestinian who isn't a Hamas member in the first place!) is to his eyes a civilian if he puts down his gun ... what if he doesn't have a gun?
Netanyahu in his interview for Jordan B. Peterson confused Ethnic Jews and Confessional Jews in the history from 70 AD to invasion of Omar and its aftermath, and probably pretended Palestine was "empty" because of how the Judean Wilderness looked in the Mandate period's beginning and ... still looks. Or because the Holy Land, without exhausting the resources of Lake Kinnereth and the Jordan, as Israel is doing, wasn't supporting the same population Israel has now.
Yeah, right, anyone who's asking challenging questions of your side is just overly stimulated by emotion and consequently irrational ...
Like the obvious question:
If it is horrendous of Hamas to use its population in ways in which, calculably, knowing Manis Fridman type doctrines, IdF will target them, how does this not make it horrendous of IDF to target civilians who are not Hamas and are just being used, very passively, by Hamas?
If IDF had killed every man who was involved in October 7 and only them, I would actually be happy about it. I was for some hours in a very emotional state of "yeah, six from Hamas have been killed!" ... in the following morning I made the connection "30 000 have been killed" ...
If you think it moderately OK to target Palestinian civilians clearly along the Hamas, because they tend to support Hamas over IDF, was it moderately OK to target Jewish civilians because they tended to support the Red Army over the Germans? I mean, very probably, the Jews of Russia and Ukraine did have a huge support for Lenin and as for Stalin at least a preferential support of him over Hitler ... oh, wait, Hitler invaded? Well, given the agreement in 2005, is IDF not now an invader?
In other words, from his update video, he believes that shadow networks are legitimate targets for military operations ... including if it hits their families.
To me, that position would justify Hitler.
Is Zionism the right for Jews to have Aliyah?
Or is Zionism the right for Jews to have Aliyah while excluding Palestinians from Aliyah?
Currently, it is the latter.
In that sense, I am not a Zionist.
Is Zionism the right for Jews to have Aliyah?
Or is Zionism the right for Jews to have Aliyah from displacing Palestinians during the Naqba and with no right granted to restitution, even partially, so people from Gaza or abroad can at least in some part come back to villages their ancestors tilled, or with shepherds and flocks perhaps rather grazed?
Currently, it is the latter.
In that sense, I am not a Zionist.
- S. Hope
- @SHope-rq1hc
- i cannot go back to russia, poland or lithuainia; where my ancestors are from-they got rid of all of my great grandparents records, certificates and burned our cemiteries. my uncle can not go back to iraq where he is from. what is your countries laws of return?
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @SHope-rq1hc Sweden doesn't actually have one, as far as I can tell. A Swede American probably could apply for Swedish citizenship if he spoke Swedish. AND the same applies for someone speaking Lapp or Meänkieli, I would say. But those minorities are far less often emigrating. We haven't tried to get rid of them, except in a very horrible way which was ended in the 70's. Through Hospitals, not the army.
So you can't go back to Russia or Lithuania, Poland or Iraq. Some Jews actually could go back to France or Britain or the US.
And some of the land they left actually could be given to Palestinians who are not obviously in the war bands of Hamas.
I am very happy that Israelis are not suicide bombers.
By the way, it seems Taleb in Magdeburg was, or pretended to be, on your side, and he may have counted on getting shot during his deed, because he wrote his testament. But so far no one has shown he was on IDF's or Mossad's payroll, so, he's not your problem.
I'd be even happier if Israel didn't treat people in such a way that suicide bombing could appeal as an easy way out, provided that you had a religion allowing it.
And especially, I'd be happy if certain Orthodox Jews didn't feel too comfortable spitting in the direction of Christians. Or buying up Church property. Make that Church connected property. We generally aren't suicide bombers, you know, and I'm as little comfortable with them taking out the outrage on Christians for October 7, as I'm with Holocaust survivors taking out the outrage on non-Nazi Fascists. I honour the memory of individual Nazis, including Göhring, who saved a couple my grandparents knew. I also honour the memory of Italian Fascism when it started, and as Geremìa Brizi would have liked it to be preserved. Watch the Assisi Underground if you don't know what I mean.
Telling us to chose Israel or Hamas / Iran is like telling people back in 1942 ~ 43 to chose Hitler or Stalin.
There is such a thing as neither side with guns being in the right and only suffering civilians being so ...
I happen to be from a country which betrayed neither Norway nor Finland, and chose neither Hitler nor Stalin as active military ally.
W a i t ... you pretend, you have a kind of right to control families and deny rights to families who are raising their children wrong?
Have you heard the command "honour THY father and THY mother"?
God doesn't tell each person in the world to honour whatever "father" or "mother" some "responsible guy" approves, God is telling each person in the world to honour his or her own father and mother. You can't step in into someone else's education, another family's education. That's wrong.
I just heard of Itamar's gesture, looked up the guy, yes, this is the exact guy who is very clearly refusing to clearly acknowledge there is such a thing as Palestinian civilians, and, surprise but no surprise, when I looked him up, he's related to a guy named Nimrodi.
Again, Hitler noted that Jewish education had favoured engagement in Communism, via hatred Christians and via hatred of the Czars. Are you saying he had a right to target civilian Jews because they raised their children wrong?
Your questions about Mein Kampf sound a bit like certain questions asked about the Talmud.
Or about Communist material.
An anti-semitic poster with a caricature of a Jew; the headline reads, “He is to blame for the war!” Through such crude propaganda the Nazis hoped to inflame hatred toward Jews.
Sounds a bit like your Anti-Palestinian views. You basically said, the way they raise their children is to blame for the war.
I think there was a lack of moral clarity a few years ago when people in Tel Aviv were eating pop corn watching rockets fall down on Gaza.
That was before October 7, by the way.
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