On Big Bang in a Catholic context

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Alanson Cleveland

A distinction must be made between which big bang theory you are talking about. As far I have been told, Fr. Georges Lemaître's version said that God is the one who started the big bang. The new atheist big bang theory which is what most people know about says that the big bang was started by a small little pin thing or something.

Just trying to prevent comment wars.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

2:11 I am Catholic, I do not accept the Big Bang theory, and accepting it as such contradicts, not indeed "creatorem coeli et terrae" but - given Genesis 1 is a prophecy given to Moses - qui loquutus est per prophetas".

Alanson Cleveland

Read my comment up above.

Rodney Burton

The Big Bang theory in no way contradicts Genesis 1; indeed, the scientifically determined order of creation follows it with great accuracy.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

How many days before creation of man is Big Bang supposed to have occurred?

@Alanson Cleveland, did you note which article of the faith I saw direct issue with?

Rodney Burton

Hans-Georg Lundahl your concerns are not shared by the Vatican.

Alanson Cleveland

Hans-Georg Lundahl No I didn't pay attention to what you said. For that I apologize. I am not really sure, but what I think you are trying to say is that because God spoke through Moses about the creation of the universe, that anything that anyone says about how the universe was created after Moses is wrong because they are not a prophet and therefore cannot know anything about how the universe was created. Correct me if I am wrong.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Alanson Cleveland : yes you are wrong.

What you think I am trying to say:

"because God spoke through Moses about the creation of the universe, that anything that anyone says about how the universe was created after Moses is wrong because they are not a prophet and therefore cannot know anything about how the universe was created."

No, I am saying: because God spoke through Moses about the creation of the universe, that anything that anyone says contradicting Moses on any item is wrong, because Moses was a prophet.

Kent Hovind has said lots after Moses, and mostly he isn't wrong - mostly also he is not even by mistake and despite his intentions contradicting anything Moses said.

@Rodney Burton : you mean the Vatican occupied by probable Antipope Francis? Previously by probable Antipope Benedict after probable Antipope John Paul II?

[Back to Alanson:]

It is for instance possible that Enuma Elish is older than Moses by perhaps a century.

If so, the reason why Enuma Elish is wrong where it is wrong is not its being said after Moses (by hypothesis it was said before him), nor that author of Enuma Elish was no prophet of the true God. The reason is rather, Enuma Elish is on items contradicted by ... Moses.

Apology accepted, btw, sorry for being too tired to say that at once.

Alanson Cleveland

Hans-Georg Lundahl Then I have to ask. How does the big bang theory contradict the word of God?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Again, how many days does Big Bang Theory put between "beginning" and creation of Man?

Alanson Cleveland

I don't know. Millions of years?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Billions.

Now read Mark 10:6. </dl>