Friday, December 28, 2018

Someone Overreacting to JW

I think he's actually a child of a couple who were or are members, so he has some experience, but he's way overreacting:

Jehovahs Witnesses Spread Anti-College Propaganda
Telltale | 14.X.2018

[on Mt 4/Lk 4]
2:45 ANY Christian believes this is a real literal event.

I'm Catholic.

Sure, morals can be derived from it, even so it is a real event (as if real events usually were amoral ...)

Where do you get from it is a "parable"?

It's not introduced by Jesus spoke in a parable and said!

11:53 JW are getting one thing here so right - and so wrong.

There are "clouds of witnesses" cheering when Caleb and Sophia pass God's test.


The problem, the clouds of witnesses are Father, Son, not any Holy Spirit, angels, not any human deceased saints.

Not any Holy Spirit is of course against Matthew 28, but no human saints ...

Hebrews 11-12 (several verses and first):

[4] By faith Abel offered to God a sacrifice exceeding that of Cain, by which he obtained a testimony that he was just, God giving testimony to his gifts; and by it he being dead yet speaketh. [5] By faith Henoch was translated, that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God. ... [7] By faith Noe, having received an answer concerning those things which as yet were not seen, moved with fear, framed the ark for the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world; and was instituted heir of the justice which is by faith. [8] By faith he that is called Abraham, obeyed to go out into a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. ... [11] By faith also Sara herself, being barren, received strength to conceive seed, even past the time of age; because she believed that he was faithful who had promised, ... [20] By faith also of things to come, Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau. ... [21] By faith Jacob dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and adored the top of his rod. [22] By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the going out of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. [23] By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months by his parents; because they saw he was a comely babe, and they feared not the king's edict. ... [31] By faith Rahab the harlot perished not with the unbelievers, receiving the spies with peace. [32] And what shall I yet say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, Barac, Samson, Jephthe, David, Samuel, and the prophets: ... [36] And others had trial of mockeries and stripes, moreover also of bands and prisons. ... [1] And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us:

Ergo, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gedeon, Barac, Samson, Jephthe, David, Samuel, and the prophets and others should be up in that cheering crowd.

Problem is, JW believe all the dead remain totally dead (no survival of soul) up to Resurrection. So they cannot take the implication of Hebrews 11 to 12:1.

12:31 She obviously erased it because she had cheated, not because success is bad.

Very properly too, it is wrong to cheat yourself into advantages. (There may be extenuating circumstances for some, but not on a test).

14:14 I think you might be overdoing their callousness a bit.

Imagine a JW not being able to pay rent one month .... what do you think the "Hall of the Kingdom" will do?

That's right : extend a rent, especially if it's a JW "on active service" - knocking doors.

If you should have examples of people who are down in the gutter bc JW left them to pverty and misery, that would be another thing, I don't think you have.

As a Catholic, I can only marginally profit from their generosity, I also disagree with them by being "literal six days" YEC (they are into day-age interpretation, these days). And by being Geocentric.

If I were Heliocentric, if I were day age old earth creationist, if I believed the cheering crowd when a Christian defeats a temptation does not include Noah and Abraham and quite a few more, if I had no objections to being JW, I think they would have ended my poverty quite a while ago.

Won't happen that way, though, since I am Catholic, YEC, Geocentric. Since I believe the cheering crowds do include Noah and Abraham and quite a few more.

And since I believe Matthew 28 does specify "all nations" not just "people from all nations" meaning conversion of nations collectively, including soldiers (excludes me from their total pacifism).

Note, wrote this before realising you were raised by a couple of them. Not sure how they did in your life.

14:51 I think she is saying, families in Georgia (Caucasus not US, right? It said "Prime Minister" ...) were setting up 100 % of the children (or nearly) to compete for the 20 - 50 % best jobs.

And I think that is wrong. It definitely breeds failure. And it sets up "failure" as a disgraceful thing.

15:15 I have actually been more or less as poor as you, twice I was starving for third day on a row.

First time a neighbour who was JW offered me potatoes.

Second time, the heros offering me bread, cheese and beer were some homeless guys.

Both times involves blacks, the JW full black and the homeless guys involving one from Madagascar.

17:20 Who is speaking in Proverbs 27:11?

Study wisdom, my son, and make my heart joyful, that thou mayst give an answer to him that reproacheth.

One could imagine, the words are spoken to Solomon's son by Solomon ... but JW take it as "make Jehovah happy" ...

When did Jehovah get a heart?

Some time between Nazareth March 25 and Bethlehem December 25.

2019 years ago.

So, if some of them read this, hope they convert and become Catholic, realising that the Father is LORD, the Son is LORD, the Holy Spirit is LORD, precisely as St Athanasius taught.

Otherwise, if The LORD is a name belonging to the Father only, it is difficult to make His Heart happy or joyful.

18:01 Yes, I definitely do not think it is child abuse to make your children realise God is watching you.

I do not think it is child abuse to tell children about the universe we live in.

Including, usually, your mistakes about it, but this isn't one of them.

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