Thursday, April 4, 2024

Does Gwledig Simply Mean Nationalist?

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: I Haven't Read James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake, But I Can Tell You What It Is About · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Does Gwledig Simply Mean Nationalist?

I come from Austria, where putting on rural airs (modern meaning : rural, rustic) may denote patriotism or nationalism, so, this could have put me on the track. Anywhere, here is the video:

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Cambrian Chronicles | 31 March 2024

5:41 What about "nationalist"?

10:18 If Vortigern is the guy who invited the Anglo-Saxons, I don't think it's likely anyone would call him a nationalist ...

10:35 I don't think Gildas would describe Maelgwn as a lover of his country, like rather a lover of himself, if I got wiki right and wikipedians got Gildas right.

Another thing compatible with "gwledig" meaning roughly "patriot" or "nationalist" ...

14:16 People in Culhwch are gwledig in an earlier generation, fits perfectly with Emrys Gwledig not being followed by Artorius also being a Gwledig.

Nationalist, and at a certain point this was a clear generation splitter.

Given Macsen, I could even imagine Roman nationalist rather than Brythonic such, in this case.

17:37 Macsen, Emrys, older generation in Culhwch : Roman nationalists or patriots. Or patriots of Roman Britain (Macsen could have been considered such bec. he thought Rome should be ruled by one from Roman Britain).
Later ones : Welsh nationalists or patriots.

Gwlad as "country" also has the nuance "fatherland" or "patria" and "gwledig" then means pretty much the same thing as "patriota"

Since there is now a song that says "Pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad," the epithet "gwledig" has become largely superfluous. If you speak Welsh, that makes you gwledig.

Similarily, scheming to get into power, but not extending your rule one inch into pushing Saxons back (Maelgwn) or even inviting Saxons (Vortigern) seems to be pretty "not very gwledig at all" ....

Revisiting: "However, 1:44 this meaning only appears from 1604 onwards, first showing up in the dictionary of Syr Thomas Williams." By 1604, someone who was sufficiently patriotic to speak Welsh would have been more and more considered rustic, since the time of Henry VIII (whom Tolkien detested not just for destroying the Church, but also for betraying his Welsh roots, descending from Owen Tudor, a Welshman).

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