Saturday, April 20, 2024

On Slavery

Original video:

A Short History of Slavery | 5 Minute Video
PragerU | 23 August 2021

Reaction video A:

WHITE PEOPLE Didn't Invent Slavery They Ended It!? - Candice Owens
CartierFamily | 15 July 2023

3:41 Actually, the Frankish Kingdom, back then spanning France, BeNeLux, parts of Germany, had a queen (over parts of that area) called Bathildis. She died in 680, is a saint of the Catholic Church, and abolished slavery.

When French held slaves, that was an exception for Louisiana Dominion and Islands. France and Québec were places where no one could be held as a slave against his will.

Benjamin Frankling was sent to France and was advised to take an old slave, devoted to himself, who couldn't speak French ..

3:45 The French abolition in 1848 was only about the Islands, because that was the only place where France held slaves by then.

It's inspirer Schoelcher was from Alsatia, [actually his father was, he was born in Paris] a part of France which had been Germany (therefore non-colonial) prior to the 1600's.

"yeah we ain't doing that no more 6:50 either we gonna fight for and you know 6:51 they have revolutions for all that stuff 6:53 too so it was some bloodshedy before 6:55 them Acts were signed"

Actually, the American Revolution wasn't made by Abolitionists.

Wilberforce, an Evangelical, was canvassing for abolition since the 1780's, and before 1833, Britain had done a few other acts, starting in 1807.

"The Slave Trade Act 1807, officially An Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade,[1] was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom prohibiting the slave trade in the British Empire. Although it did not abolish the practice of slavery, it encouraged British action to press other nation states to abolish their own slave trades. It took effect on 1 May 1807, after 18 years of trying to pass an abolition bill.[2]"

Wikipedia, Slave Trade Act 1807

Reaction video B:

Prager U - A Short History of Slavery - Historian Reaction
Vlogging Through History | 9 August 2023

4:06 In Byzantium, some kind of slavery was ongoing to the end, you will find Venice having castrato singers (in Austria proper the practise was illegal, but unfortunately tolerated), and Venice had some Byzantine heritage.

Confer the Frankish Kingdom.

680, Queen St. Bathildis of Neustria and Burgundy dies. She had not technically freed all slaves, but she had done so in practise. At worst, they were now serfs, if as much. The idea spread over the Frankish world, and slaves didn't come back into it prior to the conquest of Saxony (which had slaves), not sure about Bavaria, but it adhered little before Saxony (though under very unlike circumstances, Tassilo III and Widukind — at first, at least — had very different attitudes to the Franks).

Benjamin Franklin was advised that he did best to bring a slave to France who was old and who didn't speak French, otherwise France would free the slave on his request. Slavery was only tolerated in Louisiana and the Islands (so, not Québec, not mainland France).

England had a similar system as the abolitionist poet Cowper noted.

We have no slaves at home – Then why abroad?
Slaves cannot breathe in England; if their lungs
Receive our air, that moment they are free.
They touch our country, and their shackles fall.
That's noble, and bespeaks a nation proud.
And jealous of the blessing. Spread it then,
And let it circulate through every vein.

4:28 I think she missed how some Jewish communities were profiting from slave trade illegally in Europe.

I'm speaking like Carolingian times ... (in Prague)

5:28 I've seen her video, that's not what she's saying.

She's giving credit to Wilberforce, Schoelcher and "John Brown's body lies a mouldring in his grave" / Abe Lincoln to prove to her fellow Black Americans, that White people ar not the enemy.

6:22 Well, not in control of all countries that held slaves.

What about the Ottoman Empire? Or the Ashanti KIngdoms? (Different religions by the way, Ashantis were doing human sacrifice).

6:43 Well, they were not the only ones who held slaves.

I think she's asking for the Brownie points, by the way.

6:50 Na, she missed the acts by Queen St. Bathildis.

But perhaps she's going off the fact that Neustria and Burgundy are no longer countries in the world?

7:10 Yeah, all over the Middle Ages, from Neustria and Burgundy to Ragusa in the 1400's over Sweden abolishing thraldom in 1351 or sth ...

Who was in control in the Middle Ages? Culdees? Waldensians? Perhaps more like Roman Catholics, after all!

(Btw, do you know if slavery was eliminated soon after St. Patrick or only by Strongbow?)

7:35 If you speak of quantity of slaves, you may be right. UK, US, France, Brasil / Guinea Bissao may have been the places with most slaves (Spain tried to concentrate their slaves on Cuba or sth), but they were probably not the ones using the most cruel practises.

You know the Y-chromosomes of Black Iraqis? Yes, the Y chromosomes are pretty purely Arabic.

In Black Americans, you do find Y-chromosomes from actually Africa.

7:51 Not too few actually did want to:

  • end slavery and
  • send ex-slaves to Liberia.

They didn't like the competion from cheaper slave labour.

They were also often from parts (Kenosha comes to mind) where one didn't own slaves.

9:41 There actually were US Americans who were held captive by Ottomans (in Morocco, I think) and then liberated through diplomacy.

They had been held in slavery, one of them had gone blind, perhaps through diabetes.

9:57 Sir, I don't know that you look like an Afro-American.

She may be talking about certain rumours going on among Black Americans.

10:23 Arguably, some who did live like pharaos financed that by precisely selling slaves, first to other Africans, then to Arabs and Europeans, depending on where in Africa.

Plus getting rich on slave labour, by owning slaves themselves.

11:08 It's true that some White Nations, as well as Arabs and Ottomans, were providing a market.

But an indigenous market already existed, if on a somewhat smaller scale.

11:50 You said "Europeans created the market"?

"A series of walls marked the incremental growth of the city from 850 AD until its decline in the 16th century. To enclose his palace he commanded the building of Benin's inner wall, and 11-kilometre-long (7 mi) earthen rampart girded by a moat 6 m (20 ft) deep. This was excavated in the early 1960s by Graham Connah. Connah estimated that its construction if spread out over five dry seasons, would have required a workforce of 1,000 laborers working ten hours a day, seven days a week.[citation needed] Ewuare also added great thoroughfares and erected nine fortified gateways. Excavations at Benin City have revealed that it was already flourishing around 1200–1300 CE.[15]"

Noting, some wikipedian inserted "reference needed" here, but I think the "Kingdom of Benin" (that's the article on wiki) is pretty good evidence there was an indigenous market for slaves too.

12:26 I think her phrase "to our ancestors" means part of those other people.

Are you trying to strawman her into sth she didn't say?

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