Tuesday, January 9, 2018

Two Questions on Saints from Today (quora)

Where do you think the Virgin Mary and all the saints canonized by Popes throughout History really are?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied religions as curious parallels and contrasts to Xtian faith since 9, 10?
Answered 4h ago
All the saints canonised by True Popes, yes, and the Blessed Virgin definitely.

“all generations shall call me blessed”

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Just now
Question was changed since 4 hours, and as I answered it, it was if I really do think they are in Heaven.

How can the saints hear and answer us from heaven?

Answer requested
by Kelly Spears

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied religions as curious parallels and contrasts to Xtian faith since 9, 10?
Answered 4h ago
Naturally, the saints cannot hear us from heaven. 1 light day up to fixed stars, that is a long distance, even if there were atmosphere all the way up.

Naturally, nearly all saints in heaven are disembodied souls awaiting the resurrection.

Naturally, they can’t.

By grace, they can.

God is giving them information about all they need to know, all that pertains to their heavenly glory, and therefore also all prayer requests.

And you can maybe guess who is granting their prayers?

Apocalypse 6 :

[9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. [10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (holy and true) dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [11] And white robes were given to every one of them one; and it was said to them, that they should rest for a little time, till their fellow servants, and their brethren, who are to be slain, even as they, should be filled up.

Catholic comment:

[9] "Under the altar": Christ, as man, is this altar, under which the souls of the martyrs live in heaven, as their bodies are here deposited under our altars.

[10] "Revenge our blood": They ask not this out of hatred to their enemies, but out of zeal for the glory of God, and a desire that the Lord would accelerate the general judgment, and the complete beatitude of all his elect.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Apocalypse (Revelation) Chapter 6

Side issues:

  • simultaneity of many ones praying to them : someone known only to his closest, as yet or some very obscure saint like St Paphnutius (there was a Cistercian who after him was called “brother Paphnutius” but changed the name, by a very special permission when the other monks giggled, safe guess, St Paphnutius is not so well known on Earth might get only a few prayer requests per day to deal with, but what about the Blessed Virgin? Since people all over the globe are forgetful and loose things, what about St Anthony of Padua? Well, safe guess is, God is allowing their time to run differently to the one on Earth. Even before doomsday.
  • Is this compatible with “rest for a little time”? Yes. If a martyr’s initial prayer is revenge against persecutors, it is probably very “rehabilitating” to be able to grant prayers - by passing them on to God - and watch God deal with it in manners they might have in weaker moments wished to have been dealt with themselves. Even those who claim “soul sleep” among Orthodox consider they can be dreaming about the persons adressing them. However, this position we Catholics consider erroneous.

I have now answered whether the Catholic view on intercession by the saints is possible.

Now for if there is a definite argument for it. St Jerome took up this one, also Apocalypse:

"These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb:"
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 14:4]

According to St Jerome, this does not refer to Our Lord’s strolls in His body in Heaven, but also where this Body is present in the Eucharist and also where He goes to save souls.

In a hospital setting, He is the doctor and they are His assistants. But it is not Heaven which is a hospital, it is Earth and Purgatory which are so.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
4h ago
“ this does not refer to” or “this does not only refer to “ rather perhaps.

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