Sunday, July 30, 2023

Allie Beth Stuckey and George Farmer (Salvation)

A Catholic and a Protestant Debate Salvation
Candace Owens Podcast, 9 May 2023

5:31 oh dear ... just what he should not have answered.
a) What is the purpose of man in this earthly life? To get to know, to love and to serve God and thereby to earn eternal bliss with Him.
b) Why did he not point out Allie Beth Stuckey quotesmined Ephesians 2? Here is a quote involving verse 10 too:

8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.

Two things.
a) not of works - refers to justification
b) in good works - refers to the justice being actually kept by our cooperation.

Sounds humble to basically compare cooperating with grace to cooperating with the functioning of day and night, but it isn't.
a) because all good works are in fact prepared - our baby steps, God holding the hand
b) because it allows one to ignore a Christian duty of doing this or leaving do that, i e it opens a door to disobedience.

6:32 No, man does not build grace through works.

a) a work done without grace earns nothing in grace or glory BUT
b) a work done IN grace doesn't actually "build" but rather EARN further grace, and it is God who gives that.

8:27 St. James doesn't say the dead faith is counterfeit faith, he is simply comparing it to a body which no longer has its soul.

9:04 And if you are misconstruing Ephesians?

[You = Allie, the one speaking, not Candace as uploading]

Verse 9, which you quote, says "not of works" - as Romans 3 says of Abraham's justification.

Now, there was an Inquisitorial process in Vilvoorde which centred on Romans 3.

Tyndale said, Abraham's justification did not involve him promising future works, Latomus said, it did involve that. Both agreed it did not involve past works.

Now, verse 10, which you do not quote, says "in good works" ... sounds pretty much like Latomus' position, not Tyndale's. Then Philippians 2 confirms that too:

12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation 13 For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will.

This also contains the explanation, very concisely, why the intention of future good works being necessary in the justification of an adult (a baby is not explicitly intending it, presumably) does not allow any boasting, since it's not one's own works but God's works inside one. Exacvtly as further confirmed by Galatians 2:20.

And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me. And that I live now in the flesh: I live in the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered himself for me.

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