Some People Really Can't Relate to a Catholic Convert

Great Bishop of Geneva! A Point About Certain Protestant Fundamentalists · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Some People Really Can't Relate to a Catholic Convert

These guys are Murrican, but they are very typical of a certain type of Swede I have had the misfortune to come across:

Those Who Think They Haven't Deconstructed Their Faith Actually Have Also | Stan Mitchell
David Moses Perez | Iconoclast Podcast | 16 May 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWaZVoF-UEo

5:59 "not by works"

That's not true of 2000 year old Christianity, that's true of 500 year old Protestantism

6:33 I'm pretty sure, if I sat on a motor cycle and tried to do the "wheel of death" it would kill me

I can hardly ride even a normal bike.

I don't think there is an underlying trepidation, insofar as I don't think I'm likely to do the "wheel of death" stunt.

People who pretend that those of us who keep within bounds of orthodoxy do so, because we have too much underlying or unconscious fear of Hell, no, some of us don't imagine going outside orthodoxy. And there is intellectual pride in that too. The same kind of pride as, but better invested than, Gutsick Gibbon not imagining she will be one day a YEC.

7:53 I looked the book up:

Gay marriage, transgender rights, birth control -- sex is at the heart of many of the most divisive political issues of our age. The origins of these conflicts, historian R. Marie Griffith argues, lie in sharp disagreements that emerged among American Christians a century ago. From the 1920s onward, a once-solid Christian consensus regarding gender roles and sexual morality began to crumble, as liberal Protestants sparred with fundamentalists and Catholics over questions of obscenity, sex education, and abortion. Both those who advocated for greater openness in sexual matters and those who resisted new sexual norms turned to politics to pursue their moral visions for the nation. Moral Combat is a history of how the Christian consensus on sex unraveled, and how this unraveling has made our political battles over sex so ferocious and so intractable.

Well, I converted to Catholicism. And I'm the kind of guy who thinks it should take very dire situations, if even that, before you even dream of resorting to NFP.

8:22 "everybody eventually agreed was a good morality"

If you think "everybody" agrees limiting the numbers of children one has, for instance in response to concerns about being able to feed them, consider me as living up to a film title:

"My Name is Nobody"!
My Name is Nobody Soundtrack (Main Title)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkF1Axc1-jU

"whether it [8:23] was slavery women's suffrage black [8:26] voting birth control [8:30] um certainly by the time you get to [8:32] civil rights in the in the 60s uh [8:36] interracial marriage uh feminism in the [8:39] 70s um and now of course dealing with [8:42] lgbtqia a plus"

A huge problem is, mixing two very different sets of questions.

Permissivity to either have sex or avoid children.

Brotherhood of black and white.

The Catholic faith is consistently against the former set, and consistently, even in periods when endorsing the existing black slavery in certain colonial and post-colonial societies, for the brotherhood.

There are no Black Churches in the Catholic Church, because a Catholic in South Carolina in 1850 was supposed to go to Church with his slaves if they were Catholic.

Women's suffrage is yet another issue, Chesterton mentioned, it's not very womanlike to get involved in kicking someone's butt, government is the dirty business of males. While I will not directly fight to abolish it, I would in principle not be very much for it. More like family fathers having a census vote according to the number of family members.