Coprolites and Dicynodonts

Why Ancient Poop Fossils Challenge Noah's Flood
Dr. Joel Duff | 1 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYkovFP5l-8

11:09 I wonder, why would the coprolites not have been laid down prior to the Flood?

They were deposed on a hill of sediment? Well, they were deposed on a hill of some kind of mudrock, but why would all mudrock be from the Flood and none earlier?

14:30 How volcanic ash gets preserved in a Flood?

Perhaps by mud being deposited over it?

14:51 You have STILL not explained why Flood geology implies this happened after the waters had already started rising.

15:45 Volcano goes off. Ashes are stiffened around the coprolites before the Flood water and mud arrive.

Problem solved.

19:34 Most creatures that died after the Flood didn't get fossilised, like most before it.

Triassic is a biotope of the pre-Flood world.

I've had this contested by other YEC on the supposal that we can't suppose things were deposed in situ, my answer is, sure, a T Rex skeleton could easily have been carried off 500 km, but it wouldn't look as a T Rex skeleton when arriving.

So, when we have an integral T Rex skeleton, it usually is where the T Rex was when it died and was covered in Flood mud.

19:43 Human fossils from the Flood?

Anything covered in volcanic lava and dated by K-Ar rather than carbon is arguably from the Flood. Tautavel man is arguably from the Flood.

Homo sapiens dated to 90 000 BP or 300 000 BP (if that's the latest limit from Morocco), were surprised by the Flood, they weren't buried by men. Hence the lack of cultural attributes.

NinjaMonkeyPrime

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

Buried by lava is the same as being buried underneath a flood?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@NinjaMonkeyPrime The Bible says:

In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened
[Genesis 7:11]

Now, I take it this means that not just water fountains, but also lava fountains were broken up, possibly both at the same time.

I would place most at least big lava eruptions in Geology at this point, for instance Campi Flegrei, ashes flying from Italy all the way to Czech Republic, in this context.

And THE Flood is not just "a flood" it is a long and complex series of events, many of which are not identical to floods right now. Like the parts when the world was one big ocean, cannot be studied by any events in exact parallel.

The earlier on in THE Flood a volcanic eruption happened, the more and the cooler water was available for the lava to solidify quickly and trap more argon, which is a bias on the potassium-argon dates not accounted for by mainstream evolution believing scientists in the field.

20:12 "in post-Flood rocks"

Well, duh, how do you count post-Flood here, since YEC between them differ on the limits?

I would certainly count Ice age (one of them, and not to be diagnosed by "glaciation speces") and Younger Dryas as post-Flood, and anything higher, but that's about it.

The rest are pre-Flood biotopes.

21:01 Are there biotopes today with a preference for non-flowering plants? I think both ferns and mosses are non-flowering ...

Prometheus Bound

@Prometheus_Bound

Yes, but pollen from flowering plants should be everywhere.

NinjaMonkeyPrime

Was there mention of collecting all the plants with animals before killing everyone?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@[Prometheus_Bound] Never washed away from any object? All year round?

Doubt it.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@ [NinjaMonkeyPrime] Why would that be important here?

If you are making a general claim against the Flood as such, why not make your own video about it and let me comment there?

Lots of plants could have survived on log mats, and log mats would also have trapped pockets of sweet water so sweet water fish and plants didn't die from the salt, which would have been less prevalent than now in the Oceans.

But generally speaking, my comments on this video are a challenge to Joel Duff about this particular find, and are NOT meant for you to obstruct about your favourite objections against the Flood as a whole.

21:38 "much further down in the fossil record"

It's not about levels of depth below earth surface, it's about abstract "levels" that could as easily be pre-Flood biotopes.

What kind of biotope today would have lots of ferns and gingkos, but no flowering plants?

Well, that's the kind of biotope these fellers lived in (and shat in).

Prometheus Bound

This is not how floods work. And even then, pollen should be everywhere.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Prometheus_Bound Could pollen from fern leaves ever get washed down by a rain?

THE Flood doesn't work like a flood, since it is a long series of events.

Most of them don't look like inundations which is what "floods" refers to in the modern context.

NinjaMonkeyPrime

If you want to claim that there's one global event, you're going to need the geological evidence to support it. And it doesn't.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@NinjaMonkeyPrime It's not the one global event that leaves the traces, there are the many smaller events before and below the global ocean that leave geologic traces. Which we very much do find.

Flood Geologists have claimed (and this is based on re-analysis of data from mainstream science, it's not a naked claim) that there are six mega-sequences that occur in the same order around the globe. That's the lithic part.

But the fossil part would, at least for land creatures, be local biotopes.

I know CMI likes to debunk this by saying the Flood could have transported them 500 km. Well, the animals that it hit yes, not the sometimes very pristine skeleta we find, since a skeleton transported 500 km by high pressure oversaturated streams of sand-in-water wouldn't arrive as a recognisable skeleton.

I've spent hours and days and months checking if biotopes are ever found on top of each other and for land biotopes, the answer is no.

AGAIN, my comments here are specific comments to Joel Duff on this specific claim he has against Young Earth Creationism, NOT about your favourite objection against Young Earth Creationism. Do a video (you have better possibilities than I have) and invite me to comment on that instead.

22:17 Yes, you have STILL not explained why they would have been deposited a month after Flood waters started coming, in the Flood geology case.

Sure you are not making a strawman against Flood geology?

Prometheus Bound

It has to be that late because the layers below have to be deposited before those fossils that are above.

NinjaMonkeyPrime

Are you ignoring the many layers that we know exist?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@ [Prometheus_Bound] I do not know exactly how the layers are lying in the terrain here, but I find it totally possible that along a diagonal hill side, lower layers came with the mud at 3 am and highre ones with the mud at 3 pm the same day.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@ [NinjaMonkeyPrime] I am not sure YOU know exactly HOW they exist.

I have not anywhere on earth found that one and the same place has different layers of land fossils on different levels.

My answers were nearly immediately censored, I just had time to copy them: