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Saturday, May 6, 2017
... on Genesis and Christian Doctrine (video not yet completed)
CMI divides major parts of theology in broad sense (including but clearly not limited to theology narrow sense) over this video, and shows how each part connects to Genesis.
Genesis: the seedbed of all Christian doctrine (Creation Magazine LIVE! 6-09)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eut_aJI-voE
[Anthropology]
3:02 Have you ever heard the words "to God a day is like a thousand years" applies to Genesis? It DOES apply to Genesis 2:17. Adam, and also Eve, who survived her husband a few hours according to tradition (Irish poetry has a fine poem of her farewell of him) died 930 years after eating of the fruit, i e, they died the same millennium. As to spiritual death, they had already died each of them a few moments before actually eating of the fruit, so "same day", even perhaps "same hour".
[Hamartology:]
9:00 sth No man deserves to go to Heaven? Well, those who are in a state of Grace, i e with God living and indwelling in their souls and sanctifying their licit acts, actually do so deserve. A state of Sin (original or personal mortal or both combined) is intermittent, not continuing alongside the state of Grace. Venial sins committed while in a state of Grace do NOT merit Hell, but they do merit Purgatory before entering Heaven. Try to use Genesis to contradict this, if you can ...
[Soteriology:]
10:28 Since "the woman's seed" refers to Christ, to whom does "the woman" refer, between whom and the serpent God was setting "enmities" i e complete enmity? Not to Eve, since as obeying part of her life the serpent, her enmity with the serpent was not complete. So, to whom? Catholics have an answer to that one!
[Ffw into angelology, since connected to Soteriology:]
19:33 The nature of Satan remains good to this day, the choice of Satan to rebel was not created by God - i e, even if he fell before Creation week was complete, the words in Genesis 1:31 would still have been perfectly true.
19:53 And look how two persons resemble Satan whose heads are also bruised so they are destroyed : Sisera and Holophernes. Note that the WOMEN who destroyed them are both called (not in a fully general sense, but with a limitation) "blessed among women". Btw, the previous name of Satan is not known, Lucifer meaning morning star would have been his title, one which is now carried by Christ. There are two Lucifer : the Fallen one and the one who must dawn in our hearts (Isaiah vs I or II Peter).
As to restrictions : the Blessed Virgin who is - simply and universally - blessed among women, she was of Judah, not of Israel (unlike Judith) and lived in houses, not usually in tents (unlike Jael). And I have mapped the three sole occurrences of the phrase "blessed among women" or "blessed more than other women". In all the Bible, all the 73 books (with your "66 books" you would be omitting Judith - but you would not be adding a non-military "blessed among women").
[Back to Hamartology?]
10:56 "because we all sin, we all die" No, because the effects of Original Sin is in our flesh, whether we retain the guilt or are washed of it in Baptism, we all die. Even those who for some time do not sin - as St Stephen - or for their whole lives do not sin - like Christ and Mary (confer previous comment about enmities meaning complete enmity).
Note, babies die too, whether in Original sin only (a guilt chosen by Adam back then and not by themselves) or whether justified by Baptism.
11:17 "and everyone is a sinner" Not true. Even if you sin venially after justification, it does not make you a sinner again. "Even the righteous sins seven times a day" & "In small things we all sin". Sinning in small things (venially) does not make a righteous man a sinner.
[Soterology, ecclesiology:]
15:19 God Himself became the substitute. That much you are perfectly right. Note, one sinless human, had there been such a one, would have been able to pay the price for ONE other, sinful human. But in order to pay for ALL, in order to justify them, the substitute needs to be of infinite value - which only God is. As you put it, even Arianism could have been true, which is not the case.
21:50 Galatians 3:16 - thank you for reference - this means the promise does not refer to Jewish people outside Christ and therefore not to such of them who reject Him. Zionism destroyed as a Christian option!
Galatians 3:29 - Christian Church shown as replacing the Jewish people. (Take that, Antipope Ratzinger!) In other words, whatever promises belonged to Jewish people up to Christ, now belong either to Christ individually, or to His Church as one people.
[Exegesis in general:]
23:02 Poetry implies exactly what for meaning? I suppose that by poetry you don't just mean it is written metrically (in Hebrew, where the metre is 3 accented words - not preposition article and noun as 3 words, but that would be one word - per half line, often with parallelism either between half lines or between lines on some points where ideas spread out), but that is the genre hymn. It cannot be concluded from the genre hymn that meaning is non-literal. When God is said to have wings, it has a specific meaning, any boy who has played at being an eagle will tell you where on his body those are - and they were spread out like that on the Cross, which is what the Psalmist literally refers to prophetically. Even if immediate occasion was not yet literal. Not sure if wisdom literature is the genre gnomic poetry or if it is non-metric.
23:21 sth. Each of the parables of Christ could be historically true as well. As He is all knowing, He can have known occasions precisely like the ones He told as parables. In one case, some take it as parable, but He referred to a real pair of persons, both of whom died. And Lazarus in Sheol had probably just told the rich in the abyss that he was not praying for anyone resurrecting as a sign to the rich man's brothers, when he was raised himself for the sake of his own sister, Martha.
And obviously, a historic narrative can also be a parable - like that of Adam and Eve for Christ and His Church or Abraham and Isaac for Crucifixion. Where you seek an "either or" a Catholic will find a both and.
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