Friday, June 22, 2018

David Wolf is Good

Leftists call for 'Humane Population Control'
David Wolf

16:17 You know that Malthus was promoting no contraceptives or abortions, just "self control" and requiring that of other people.

A prime example of what Malthus himself promoted was later marriages. He minted the idea that it is "virtuous" for girls and for boys too not to marry as soon as it's physically possible.

Now this ideology is shaming girls who get pregnant at 13 and that shaming is not leading to early marriages (in many states of Europe and even US strictly forbidden with no pregnancy exception even at age 13), but to "abortion" or "adoption is the responsible option" - i e a mother of 13 is not allowed to be mother to her own children either way.

Yes, Malthus was in for evil.

18:46 I think Malthus did not actually advocate direct murder - more like making begging so irksome they die off by themselves.

Also evil, obviously.

And his words meant a lot more evil than he thought, perhaps ...

25:13 While Herero genocide was a horrible thing, it was not unprovoked and not unprecedented.

In Boer War, a few years earlier, English soldiery took away Boer population from countryside to avoid them supporting Krüger. They were put in concentration camps where black guards (with some animosity due to some racist attitudes from Boers earlier on) were doing things that were starving inmates to death, as far as the book "the century of camps" which I started reading a few years ago (but didn't finish).

Hereros had killed Germans before that genocide, so it was a kind of excessive retaliation, not just targetting innocents from Darwinian bias. That said, Darwinian bias will certainly have contributed to making genocide the "acceptable" solution it was not.

Glad my own partly German geographical background is more Austrian and West Germany than Berlin or Hamburg.

with dialogue:

David Wolf
That is correct, the British did horrific policies on the Dutch speaking people in South Africa. And you know, concerning your comment about retaliation, the Ottomans said the same thing about the Armenians, that they were killing Turks and all that. This does not change the fact that there was indeed a eugenist interest in the genocide of the Herero and Nama.

Tallis Keeton
the most ardent helpers of Turkish mass massacre on Armenians were Circassians who were persecuted by the stronger state of Armenians in earlier times :) Is there no end to this madness :(


Hans-Georg Lundahl
"This does not change the fact that there was indeed a eugenist interest in the genocide of the Herero and Nama."

Unfortunately, yes.

Chesterton had a reason to write The Barbarism of Berlin.

"the most ardent helpers of Turkish mass massacre on Armenians were Circassians"

Some of whom were imported to the Muslim contingent of Palestinians in 19th C?

Not meaning Muslim Palestinians are generally Circassians, mainly they are Islamised descendants of Christian Palestinians, but some of the imports in 1860's (I think) could be dangerous.

of update.

later on vid: Quibble, it seems the overall thing is now called Max Planck Society and it involves several Max Planck Institutes.

I note from article, first president was Adolf von Harnack:

Harnack traced the influence of Hellenistic philosophy on early Christian writing and called on Christians to question the authenticity of doctrines that arose in the early Christian church. He rejected the historicity of the Gospel of John in favor of the Synoptic Gospels, criticized the Apostles' Creed, and promoted the Social Gospel.

In the 19th century, higher criticism flourished in Germany, establishing the historical-critical method as an academic standard for interpreting the Bible and understanding the historical Jesus (see Tübingen school). Harnack's work is part of a reaction to Tübingen, and represents a reappraisal of tradition.

He didn't reappraise it enough, though ...

Update on

Hans-Georg Lundahl

David Wolf
Thank you for your blogpost!

Hans-Georg Lundahl
You are welcome, it has been updated with our dialogue!

Kallistos Ware Is An Evil Heretic
David Wolf

0:44 I heard you quote him right?

"Persons of heterosexual orientation have the option of getting married ..."

One man, one woman. Doesn't Biblically or Traditionally matter if both are 100 % heterosexual, or one or both is bisexual or the bisexuality is even predominantly (except for the other person) homosexual.

A Mormon showed more Orthodoxy than Ware on this issue, when at age 14 he noticed he fell in love with boys, he said "this is not right, I need to get God's help to fulfil His law" and so he asked a girl who was a friend to help him get a girlfriend.

He ended up marrying, not the girlfriend, but the girl who was a friend.

So, his temptations against fidelity are homosexual ones, but his fidelity is a clearly lawful one, he has four daughters (last time I checked) with his wife.

Yes, Kallistos Ware is a heretic, as you quote him.

His view of Catholicism, in his Church History, is more moderate than say Romanides (an evolutionist by the way) or likeminded, but that's the good I can say of him.

While I strayed some years into Orthodoxy, I had about his attitude to the Catholic Church and on many other questions a Palaeohimerite one (against evolution, for one).

I hurried back when I heard a Pentecost sermon where "Benedict XVI" was targetted for being uncharitable in denying condom's as a good solution for Africa. I now consider him an antipope, and adhere to Pope Michael. Ratzinger was wrong on other things than on that one, and on that one perhaps even wrong in opposite direction to what that "Orthodox" priest was preaching on Pentecost Day 2009.

0:54 He actually said "but homosexuals have no such option?"

BBL, posting links to two videos including comments so far ...

Update, back as promised:

5:30 "they want you to think they are so smart"

Or they simply have that habit. You see a yellow taxi car in New York, "oh, they put on yellow taxis to make it look American" - or you conclude New York regularly has yellow taxi cars?

There is a culture which strikes some as "it's so smart" and some as "they want you to think" etc. But first of all, it's a culture. It's not the best one, but it is one.

7:13 Actually, nearly all of the time I was among Orthodox, I was ready to defend "filioque" not in the Creed, but as an optional and probably correct doctrine, since it had more backing early on than denying it.

St Augustine, St Leo, St Hilary of Poitiers ... ("yeah, that is because Blessed Augustine made a mistake and the others followed him" - but they do celebrate St Leo I who did follow him, if so, and not just as "Blessed Leo").

But also St Athanasius, which you can tell from letters even if you think his "quicumque vult" is a fake, which I don't think.

Also Hispania in Roman times, before Visigoths, I Council of Toledo, since in its explicatory creed against Priscillianism (that Council ended AD 400, when St Martin of Tours died).

9:26 If you don't like people who believe in evolution, you MIGHT like:

Creation vs Evolution

It's my Creationist apologetics blog - before my general Christian, and Catholic vs Protestant ones (which I also cite):

somewhere else

Great Bishop of Geneva!

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