Monday, March 4, 2024

Last Third of the Video on Catholic / Protestant

Catholicism and Protestantism : Ecclesiology and Justification (1/3 of Video) · Catholicism and Protestantism (Middle Third of Same Video) · Last Third of the Video on Catholic / Protestant

6:45 (bis) Oops ... you quoted St. Ignatius to the Romans of all texts!

"Not like Peter and Paul do I issue any orders to you. They were Apostles, I am a convict; they were free, I am until this moment a slave. But once I have suffered, I shall become a freedman of Jesus Christ, and, united with Him, I shall rise a free man."


The problem is, you are forgetting that he was simply acknowledging his jurisdiction had been in Antioch, not in Rome, and unlike that of the Apostles, also not everywhere. He was basically respecting Roman primacy.

He could also be acknowledging that, while a captive, his giving orders might be liable to be misused by his captors (whether in spying in affairs he deals with or in pressuring him to wrongful orders).

"I am a convict; they were free, I am until this moment a slave"


7:06 The Bereans were Jews, they were experts in the Scriptures, they were seeking matches between what St. Paul said and the OT Scriptures, and it can even be presumed, they did not disdain OT oral tradition (as it was in their time).

Very far from setting an example for all Christians in all circumstances.

7:13 St. John Chrysostom ...
1) you are making an appeal to tradition;
2) you are forgetting that he had to do with sects that really (unlike Catholicism) were at variety with the Scriptures.

No Patristic Prooftext that Patristics don't count. Or that the unanimous sentence of the fathers does not constitute a proof on par with the Bible.

"These men who had always been of the Arian party, and 'understood neither how they believe or whereof they affirm,' and were silently deceiving first one and then another, and scattering the second sowing of their heresy, influenced some who seemed to be somewhat, and the Emperor Constantius among them, being a heretic , on some pretence about the Faith, to call a Council; under the idea that they should be able to put into the shade the Nicene Council, and prevail upon all to turn round, and to establish irreligion everywhere instead of the Truth."

He is talking of the Arian Pseudo-Councils. He is not saying that Nicea (325) was not infallible.

Constantius was the Arian sympathising successor of Constantine the Great.

8:26 Nice explanation, but you are basically making a case that "the Church" was split in several factions prior to Constantine.

Not true. Montanists, Novatians and Donatists were condemned, as were Sabellians and proto-Arians.

"Condemned" means, the one condemning them refused to recognise them as parts of the Church. So, the claim there is only one true Church, which has visible unity in faith and sacraments very clearly is pre-Constantian.

8:36 Human development index in this case involves things like:
  • school compulsion
  • abortion (though Five former Soviet Republics / East Block states are ahead)
  • contraception
  • late marriages and delayed childbirth
  • psychiatric tyranny
  • tyranny of the CPS
  • apostasy from the faith.

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