Friday, October 4, 2024

More Tolkien and Maybe Lewis Too


Response Shared (I)
Hans-Georg Lundahl
https://www.quora.com/profile/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2/Tolkien-once-stated-that-the-only-reason-he-did-not-consider-himself-a-socialist-was-because-he-did-not-like-the-city


Studied Latin (language) at Lund University
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
“Tolkien once stated that the only reason he did not consider himself a socialist was because he did not like the “city planners” that came with that school of thought.”

Did you understand the phrase “if only” …?

The idiom “if only because X” doesn’t mean “X is the ony reason” but rather “even ignoring all the other reasons I have than X” …

Tolkien clearly was against the Soviet Union and he was at least during the war 1939 to 1945 on Franco’s side. He may have been less admiring of Franco’s administration after that.

So am I, but I might be seeing too much of myself in Tolkien, since I see so much of Tolkien in me. Believing Tolkien was for the Soviet Union is ridiculous.

That said, if Lord of the Rings was an attack on anything it was more like industrial modernity with remakes of traditional morality. The Soviet examplifies both, but had monopoly on neither. Both also existed in the Prussia he fought back in 1916 and 17 (by 1918 he had been shipped back to England). Both also existed in Victorian and early post-Victorian UK and Commonwealth, especially as projects, well before the Soviet Union.

Response To
Isn't is perfectly clear, really, given the incredible fear of the British people of the USSR when J.R.R. Tolkien wrote the Lord of the Rings, that is, in fact, an extremely complex and subtle attack on Communism, and the Soviet Union?
by John Sierra
https://www.quora.com/Isnt-is-perfectly-clear-really-given-the-incredible-fear-of-the-British-people-of-the-USSR-when-J-R-R-Tolkien-wrote-the-Lord-of-the-Rings-that-is-in-fact-an-extremely-complex-and-subtle-attack-on-Communism-and-the/answer/John-Sierra-38


I

Exchange also on
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day

John Sierra
Funny how you go off on an unhinged rant about the phrase “if only” when i said “the only”.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
The quote I recall includes the words “if only” …

I do NOT recall any quote at all saying that Tolkien’s ONLY reason to dislike the Soviet Union was city planners.

I do recall more than one stating the opposite, like the letter involving the Yalta Conference being highly ironic about Stalin, for a very different reason, namely mendacious propaganda.

2.X.2024

John Sierra
No one mentioned the Soviet Union. the quote wast he only reason that he’s doesn’t not consider himself a socialist was that he detested city planners. .

Hans-Georg Lundahl
What is the source of this quote?

What are the exact words?

II

St. Francis' Day
4.X.2024

David Parry
“That said, if Lord of the Rings was an attack on anything it was more like industrial modernity with remakes of traditional morality. “

With special reference to Birmingham, methinks. On revisiting the university (my alma mater) a few years ago, I was walking around Edgbaston and saw a building that might well have been the inspiration for the two towers.

Tolkien is very clearly against the modern industrial world, and I wonder if he overdid it a bit with the orcs, making them too one-dimensionally evil.

The hobbits are clearly inspired by Oxbridge academics, a breed that Tolkien knew well.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Except the ones that are inspired by other guys he knew well.

Family members and some female fussy ones.

People seen in Sarehole while it was green.

Response II to I
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day

Hans-Georg Lundahl
“There’s also the fact that Sauron never had a proletariat,”

He certainly had more proletarian than Middle Class subjects.

“never seized the means of production,”

He certainly seized means of agrarian production from whoever lived there before his conquests.

“and there’s absolutely nothing about Mordor that resembles the Soviet Union.”

High Surveillance? Over the top control?

Q II
What was the nature of the relationship between J.R.R Tolkien and CS Lewis? How would you describe their friendship?
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-J-R-R-Tolkien-and-CS-Lewis-How-would-you-describe-their-friendship/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied Latin (language) at Lund University
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
I’d like to validate all the answers by Jeff Mathieson[1] Jason Taylor[2] and especially Manu OG[3] … only adding that they were also both veterans of The Great War.

That was however also added in a longer answer by Timothy Train.[4] On a verbally not identic but substantially not different question.

Footnotes

[1] Jeff Mathieson's answer to What was the nature of the relationship between J.R.R Tolkien and CS Lewis? How would you describe their friendship?
[2] Jason Taylor's answer to What was the nature of the relationship between J.R.R Tolkien and CS Lewis? How would you describe their friendship?
[3] Manu OG's answer to What was the nature of the relationship between J.R.R Tolkien and CS Lewis? How would you describe their friendship?
[4] Timothy Train's answer to What was the relationship between J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis like?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
I can say a few things that their friendship was NOT like.

  1. They were not brothers in a Masonic lodge. The Inklings were no such thing. There were no initiation rites, newcomers didn’t need to shut up, indeed, the contrary, they would specifically be invited to speak up on their literary projects.
  2. They were also not a homosexual couple. Tolkien was clearly heterosexual and normal, he was married and had four children. CSL has been speculated as having been marred in his heterosexuality, and he had prior to Christianity had an interest in BDSM, but he did live a somewhat married life (though not perhaps validly married) and was devastated at the death of Joy. Tolkien for his part was not surviving the death of Edith for more than about a year.


Q III
How did J.R.R. Tolkien's personal linguistic 'aesthetic' influence the development of his Elvish languages?
https://www.quora.com/How-did-J-R-R-Tolkiens-personal-linguistic-aesthetic-influence-the-development-of-his-Elvish-languages/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
Basically, if he loved two languages that have some traits in common, he was more than happy to invent a third one that involved the same traits.

Did he love Ancient Greek and Finnish? See Quenya.

Did he love Welsh and Spanish? See Naffarin (more to the Spanish) and Sindarin (more to the Welsh). While Naffarin is a Conlang, it is not an Elvish language, by the way.

IV
Did J.R.R. Tolkien have a specific timeline for the different periods of history in Middle-earth (LOTR, Hobbit)?
https://www.quora.com/Did-J-R-R-Tolkien-have-a-specific-timeline-for-the-different-periods-of-history-in-Middle-earth-LOTR-Hobbit/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
I’d like to second Manu OG’s answer, which was unfairly collapsed.

I’d only like to add that The Hobbit was set some 70~80 years before the very end of the Third Age and LOTR was set in the last year and the final chapters run into the Fourth Age.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
29.IX.2024
St. Michael's Day
Here is his answer, by the way:

Manu OG's answer to Did J.R.R. Tolkien have a specific timeline for the different periods of history in Middle-earth (LOTR, Hobbit)?

Q V
Wasn't Tolkien trying to do what Homer did, to write an English version of the Iliad, and redefine English culture and religion? All Tolkien did was dress up contemporary events with some Norse legends, a kind of Norse version of the world wars!
https://www.quora.com/Wasnt-Tolkien-trying-to-do-what-Homer-did-to-write-an-English-version-of-the-Iliad-and-redefine-English-culture-and-religion-All-Tolkien-did-was-dress-up-contemporary-events-with-some-Norse-legends-a-kind-of-Norse/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
3.X.2024
St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus
No …

  1. The Iliad is not fiction. It’s docufiction. It’s not like imagining how Nazism would be portrayed as (possibly) Sauron, or as (somewhat more probably) Tengil (Brothers Lionheart), it’s more on the level of how Nazism is portrayed in Cannons of Navarrone or Sound of Music or Schindler’s List. Except the Trojan war wasn’t all that much about ideology, it was more about language and resources, not totally unlike Hundred Years’ War or Seven Years War were between England and France.
  2. Tolkien didn’t dress up contemporary events. When he said he “dislike[d] allegory,” he meant he disliked when Restoration poets made “allegories” about precisely contemporary events under kings and queens from Charles II to Queen Anne. The contemporary stuff that’s actually in Tolkien is more like horrors of World War I trenches, or the conflicts between Natural Law vs Reason of State, or between Industrialism and Ruralism (plus Arts and Crafts) or between often decentralised believers in freedom and the true faith (which “back then” was pretty much absence of idolatry) and very centralised, though with two or three competing factions, Satanists, Diabolists. That kind of conflict (with Bolsheviks as Satanists, I think Tolkien would have agreed with Wurmbrandt[1]) comes into contemporary events (from Spain 1931 to fall of the wall 1990, and beyond), but Tolkien’s work doesn’t quite align with Tolkiens views of The West (in the cold war), so, his fiction was not trying to depict contemporary events.
  3. Unlike the Iliad, but like Robert E. Howard, Tolkien places his work into the far off past of Earth. Homer by contrast was dealing with things that happened up to 400 years earlier, like making a docufiction about the Thirty Years’ War.
  4. No Norse legend as such is in The Lord of the Rings. I know them pretty well, Tolkien knew them even better. If you want an equivalent of the ring making invisible, go for Gyges in Lydia, and Herodotus considered that a true recent event. If you want to have a ring possessor cursing those who kept the ring from him, see an archaeological item. If you want a supernatural being that’s evil and that can only be killed by the destruction of an object, that’s the Russian tale of Koshchey the Deathless. If you want a quest ending with the destruction of a magic object (but of opulence, not of oppressive power), see the quest for Sampo in Kalevala, but there the destruction of Sampo is an accident, not what the heros wanted. Norse legends have contributed relatively little. Beowulf perhaps a little more, and to The Hobbit. And while certain things in Laketown may be seen as the conflict between Capitalism and Fascism (with Bard as a very idealised version of something ranging from Mussolini to d’Annunzio but just for parts of the situations at the end of WW-I and the Biennio Rosso, up to the March on Rome), the main action is very different from both most of Norse legends and most of contemporary events. One could argue important parts owe more to Rider Haggard than to either of these.


Footnotes

[1] WAS KARL MARX A SATANIST?: A Documented Study: Wurmbrand, Pastor Richard: 9798986178905: Amazon.com: Books
https://www.amazon.com/WAS-KARL-MARX-SATANIST-Documented/dp/B09YQ33N23/


Q VI
Can you describe the physical features and climate of Westeros and how they differ from our world?
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-describe-the-physical-features-and-climate-of-Westeros-and-how-they-differ-from-our-world/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
3.X.2024
St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus
No, I can’t.

Just because I love Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, Lloyd Alexander, that doesn’t mean I’m into George R. R. Martin.

Q VII
What education did medieval European aristocracy receive?
https://www.quora.com/What-education-did-medieval-European-aristocracy-receive/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl


Answer requested by
Alex Pismenny

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Was bullied in school, both as pupil and as teacher. Against school compulsion.
6 years ago
My impression is, as C. S. Lewis was a good medievalist, he fairly much nailed it in the question of education on the page where Shasta, sorry, Cor enumerates what he is going to have to learn.

Note, the intellectual standards have been different for different periods and you would also like to consult the education of Prince Caspian.

But he took from a wide range, and a Latin grammar by “Pulverulentus Siccus” was clearly a good Renaissance asset …

In the earlier Middle Ages, one reason you did not necessarily learn all that much Classic Latin was, Latin was how you wrote your own language, up to Alcuin and in certain places some longer.

At the time of Alcuin, take a look at his dialogue for prince Pépin, probably while the latter was fairly young.

Dialogo di Pipino e Alcuino (This page takes it, Pépin was 5 years old)

I
St. Francis day, 4.X.2024

Hans-Georg Lundahl
To the initial statement, from The Horse and His Boy, the chapter “How Bree became a wiser horse”:

"Buck up, Bree," said Cor. "It's far worse for me than for you. You aren't going to be educated. I shall be learning reading and writing and heraldry and dancing and history and music while you'll be galloping and rolling on the hills of Narnia to your heart's content."


II the following dialogue
is from six years ago too, soon after the answer:

Alex Pismenny
“P. Quid est libertas hominis?—A. Innocentia.”

I wish they taught that today.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
One can also enjoy “P. Quid est lingua?—A. Flagellum aeris.”

Alex Pismenny
Remarkable here is that these are questions a 5-year old is asking. We don’’t know if young Pepin can appreciate Alcuin’s wit, but can you imagine a 5-year old asking “what is liberty” or “what is language”, in any language?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Actually, I think he asked “what is the tongue?”

I have been a five year old asking about technicalities in Star Trek, because I have been a five year old watching Star Trek.

Five year olds ask about what they hear about.

One such asked “what is God?”

Not “who is God?” as he knew the answer from the Catechism, but “what is God?”

He is referred to as St Thomas Aquinas.

I wonder if it is ironic about his Summa that his last confessor said he found his conscience as pure as that of a four year old - or whether he was actually just four when he asked?

Alex Pismenny
Yes, perhaps, since he asked about other body parts.

Q VIII
What does the term "Canon" mean in the world of J.R.R. Tolkien?
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-term-Canon-mean-in-the-world-of-J-R-R-Tolkien/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
6.X.2024
XXth LD after Pentecost
In the case of any author who has derivative works[1] , whether authorised or as fan fiction, what the author wrote himself is considered “canon” …

The word means “measuring rod, standard” in Greek, so, what the author wrote himself is “canon” in relation to all derivative works and for that matter discussions.

This is not the only way[2] in which the word is used outside the discussion whether the canon of sacred scripture is 73 or 66 books.

Footnotes

[1] Canon (fiction) - Wikipedia
[2] Canon - Wikipedia

Q IX
How does living in Tolkien's world differ from living in the real world?
https://www.quora.com/How-does-living-in-Tolkiens-world-differ-from-living-in-the-real-world/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
Fri 11.X.2024
How does living in Ellen Gould White’s world differ from living in the real world?

How does living in Sigmund Freud’s world differ from living in the real world?

Whether you are a Seventh Day Adventist or a Shrink or both, you certainly also have literary heros the works of which are not obviously by everyone considered as reflecting the real world.

Q X
What are some ways that Tolkien's universe is more imaginative and comprehensive?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-ways-that-Tolkiens-universe-is-more-imaginative-and-comprehensive/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied Latin (language) at Lund University
16.X.2024
Than what?

It’s not more imaginative and comprehensive than primary reality, as God is a better author than Tolkien, which Tolkien himself acknowleged.

It is certainly more imaginative and comprehensive than some modern and Puritan views of the real world, though. For instance, it features the idea that people who “just want to help” (Saruman, Grima) can be eager to abuse that position. In some minds, those who “just want to help” can never be wrong, at least not compared to those they pretend to be helping. That’s one VERY basic way.

According to some, living good and safe lives, physically, depends on industrialism. Tolkien’s universe features a peasantry (the Shire) which the real world has seen as well (Croatia[1] and Poland[2] are even today much more rural than France or the UK).

In 1987 about 2.7 million private farms were in operation. About 57 percent of these were smaller than 5 hectares (12 acres). Of the remaining farms, 25 percent were between 5 and 15 hectares (12 and 37 acres) and 11 percent were between 10 and 15 hectares (25 and 37 acres). Only 7 percent of private farms were larger than 15 hectares (37 acres). Whereas the majority of the private farms were below optimum size, the majority of state farms were excessively large. Only 12 percent of the latter farms were below 200 hectares (494 acres), and 60 percent were larger than 1,000 hectares (2,471 acres).


If the current population[3] is projected back to 1987, because I’m lazy, and if each private farm is considered as a farmer’s family of five, also because I’m lazy, that means 10 in 28 were private farmers.

38,036,118 / (2,700,000*5) = 2.8 …

Croatian agriculture has come a long way, emerging from the closed system and market of the former Yugoslavia to become integrated into the common market system of the European Union (EU). During this time there have been a lot of changes in Croatian agriculture. Today there are between 180,000 and 200,000 family farms from which, depending on the year, around 95,000 are under the subsidies system. In terms of land ownership, Croatian agriculture and rural areas are still characterized by many small plots with an average of 5.7 hectares per farm.


Here too, I’ll be lazy and estimate five persons per farmer family. One in four Croatians[4] is part of a farmer family, on this estimate.

3,861,967 / (190,000 * 5) = 4.065 ...

According to some, the key to “greatness” (whatever that means) is “progress” and the key to “progress” is discarding old ideas and “trying out” new ones. Again, Tolkien provides a corrective, bringing us back to the real real world.

And obviously, Tolkien celebrates long walks, the beauty of landscapes, the patience of seasons, and lots of humanly fun and healthy stuff.[5] Part of which one might sometimes forget or neglect, if it weren’t for reading him, or authors like him.

Footnotes

[1] Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
[2] Agriculture in Poland - Wikipedia
[3] Poland - Wikipedia
[4] Croatia - Wikipedia
[5] There are some things that Tolkien loved

Q XI
How are the stars portrayed in Tolkien's world compared to our world?
https://www.quora.com/How-are-the-stars-portrayed-in-Tolkiens-world-compared-to-our-world/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund UniversityJ
17.X.2024
I would reformulate the question.

How are heavenly bodies and stars portrayed in Tolkien’s Legendarium, compared to in Modern Astronomy.

You see, the stars and heavenly bodies in Silmarillion are based on older real world ideas of the stars.

When in the Silmarillion the stars are said to be lit by an angelic being or goddess (the line between angelic beings and pagan gods are somewhat floating for the Valar of the Silmarillion) named Varda in Quenya or Elbereth in Sindarin, this reflects the very real world predominant idea that stars are created and lit on a specific occasion in the past, rather than evolving through gradual compression till heat produces fusion, this is the predominant Christian (day 4), Jewish (dito) and Pagan idea about stars, and in precisely our world believers in the creation model vastly outnumber believers in the “modern science” (alias atheism) idea.

When in the Silmarillion Sun and Moon are considered as carried by angelic beings, this reflects very clearly the position of St. Thomas Aquinas and of the astronomer Riccioli about celestial bodies. Again, in precisely our world, the believers in either the “stars are angels with bodies” model or “stars are angels carrying bodies” model taken together vastly outnumber believers in “stars are balls of burning gas, moved only by gravity and inertia, therefore by mass” model.

When in the Silmarillion Earth is described as first flat, later a globe, but all the time immobile, below the stars and celestial bodies turning, this also reflects the historical vast majority position (harmonising flat earthers and round earthers) of the people thinking of the matter precisely in our world.

When I say “vast majority” I do not mean vast majority of scientists, alive today, but these are a tiny splinter minority of mankind overall, I do not even mean the vast majority of successful students in modern Western education, who systematically access the “scientific” view rather than the philosophical and religious ones. I mean the vast majority of all people, past, present and possibly even future, to which the modern West is a tiny minority.

Don’t get me wrong. Tolkien himself believed the “modern scientific” pov, except it’s systematic exclusion of the supernatural, which he probably in some fashion tacked on to the other viewpoint, that’s inherently naturalistic and has been so since the Enlightenment. I do not believe in Geocentrism because Tolkien believed it, he didn’t, I do not believe Geocentrism because he described it in a “legend” which isn’t one, but a novel mimicking myths, I believe it because it corresponds to eye sight, inner ears and the conviction that matter is not all, and that spirit exists and moves on vaster scales than myself moving the fingers over a keyboard. It’s not an epiphenomenon of the brain that moves the fingers, it’s an intelligent being in union with a brain and with fingertips that moves them according to my understanding. I see three camps on the question, in the real world, way outside Tolkien’s legendarium:

  • you believe your eyes, you realise matter, gravity, inertia wouldn’t create the convoluted spirograph patterns of Geocentrism, so conclude (on this and on other items) God and angels;
  • you pretend “God and angels must be proven before they can be used as an explanation” which is not how unseen explanations work, since they are proven by what they explain, but you pretend so anyway and are in reality an Atheist, a strong Atheist, convinced there is no God, there are no angels, and conclude that astral movements need purely will-less and mind-less explanations, which are only possible (if even then) with the simpler orbits of Heliocentrism (on the level of each solar system) within an overall “we are very far away from a centre we cannot identify”;
  • you fall somewhere in between and do not really reason consistently, but mix viewpoints from both camps, for instance if you are both a Christian and a Heliocentric.


Q XII
Does Narnia really exist?
https://www.quora.com/Does-Narnia-really-exist/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund UniversityJ
17.X.2024
I cannot say Narnia exists.

But I can say Narnia could exist, since God would be perfectly free to create it, if He so wanted.

Or, perhaps rather it could not exist, since it involves faults in theology peculiar to C. S. Lewis. If Aslan is Jesus in His real human body taking on the appearances of a lion, there is no theological problem, but it contradicts the words of Aslan to Bree. If God the Son is supposed to have two parallel incarnations, as Jesus in our world and as Aslan in that world, that would be very problematic theology, and it has probably already been condemned, for instance in the Giordano Bruno case.

Q XIII
Is there a fifth book in The Chronicles of Narnia series? If so, why was it not adapted into a movie like the other four books?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-fifth-book-in-The-Chronicles-of-Narnia-series-If-so-why-was-it-not-adapted-into-a-movie-like-the-other-four-books/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
avid reader back when I had better sleep than now
18.X.2024
There are seven books.

There were two screen adaptations, small and big screen, both started in publication order, and both stopped before completion.

  • BBC on the small screen took The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and The Silver Chair.
  • The new franchise for the big screen didn’t even make it to The Silver Chair.
  • Both adaptations lacked The Horse and His Boy, The Magician’s Nephew, The Last Battle. The middle one of these features a fallen evil empire in the world of Charn, the idiocy of doing magic, and the creation of Narnia. The two other ones feature Calormen.


The reasons would be that BBC in 1988 to 1990 and Hollywood in c. 20 years later was too politically correct to include these.

  • Even if Calormen is in fact neither Hindoo nor Muslim in religion, but more like sth between Phoenician and Assyrian, the culture has some Near East vibes, and the Calormenes have been taken as being a dog whistle parody against Muslims.
  • Charn with a world wide empire and a queen was perhaps a bit close to home. Check out what “Commonwealth” means and whether the UK in 1988 had a king or a queen.
  • Dito for the portrayal of Andrew Ketterley, a magician clearly parodic of Theosophy.
  • The Magician’s Nephew and The Last Battle are the ones most rich in parallels to the Bible, i e to Genesis and Apocalypse. Some people who tolerate Christianity sufficiently to allow The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (with parallels to Crucifixion and Resurrection) are much more allergic to taking Creation Story and Doomsday after Tribulation realistically. Hence, the ones who hate Fundamentalism would have discouraged these two.
  • The two featuring Calormen also feature Susan in an unflattering light. The Horse and His Boy spotlights her love of luxury and flattery as the reason she ends up being a Damsel in Distress and bringing others into grave danger. The Last Battle features same traits (a person more eager to flirt than to marry is hardly likely to hate compliments or be even healthily indifferent to them) making her a non-believer (at least in the eyes of Jill and Polly) in the truth of Narnia. Feminists would have taken umbrage because traits not uncommon in women and not discouraged by feminism are portrayed as wrong. And specifically, Susan did accept Narnia as a “play”, meaning there is a jibe against liberal Christians who take Christianity as not true but a decent play, rather than taking it precisely as truth. The reason these two were not aired on BBC or filmed in Hollywood are the precise reasos why both BBC (1986) and Hollywood (1988) did Fay Weldon’s The Life and Loves of a She-Devil.


Q XIV
Does Tolkien believe that Eru created multiple universes, each with its own drama?
https://www.quora.com/Does-Tolkien-believe-that-Eru-created-multiple-universes-each-with-its-own-drama/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
24.X.2024
St. Raphael Archangel
  1. Not that I know of. His friend C. S. Lewis possibly or even probably did.
  2. He did not believe in Eru as much as in God. Eru is an imagined name in an imagined language, for this God we Christians believe in.
  3. He did not place Middle Earth in “another universe of the multiverse” it is meant to be our world, it’s just that he took liberties with the timeline. Precisely like he already did as a Catholic given he was supporting Old Earth compromise. Note, I said “as a Catholic” and not “because he was a Catholic” there were and are Catholic Young Earth Creationists.
  4. The fall of Barad-Dûr does not replace Calvary and Resurrection, it’s a “liberty with the timeline” fanfic prequel to it.

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