Who Are Israelites?

Who Are Israelites? · Palestine, NOT the Muslim Perspective

Is Supporting Israel a Must for True Christians?
Alisa Childers | 1 Oct. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC4XZNtXK30

0:58 with the people, in the land

OK, what if Palestinians are THE people, obviously in THE land?

What, in other words, if they are Israelites?

Did your guest take that possibility into account?

There are two competing narratives about what happened in the Holy Land between AD 70 and British Mandate.

1) There is a Christian (but not Protestant) story, outlining a continuity of population from AD 70 (Church fleeing from Jerusalem to Al Fahl in nearby Jordan and coming back again after the war is over, but leaving a Church in Jordan), over AD 313 — 325 c. (Church of Jerusalem still highly bound up with Jewish connexions and the Jew St. Helena tortured to find the site of Calvary saw the miracles and became a Bishop or Patriarch of Jerusalem), and up to the Islamic Conquest (invasion of Chosroes II involves lots of Christians converting to the Judaism of their ancestors — not how I would put it — and some getting out to Persia with Chosroes, some staying and reconverting to Christianity, when Heraclius won) and beyond (Muslim Palestinian Aramaic is replaced as popular language only by 9th or 10th century, Christian Palestinian Aramaic only by the time of the Counter-Crusade, Jewish Palestinian Aramaic dying out in the time of the Crusades or Counter-Crusade).
2) There is a Jewish story according to which what happened after Bar-Kokhba or perhaps even after year 70 was Gentiles treading the land underfoot up to the British Mandate period.

Now, there is a very specific caveat to this. The same writers of the latter part of the Talmud, the Gemara, who counted Christians in Palestine as "Gentiles" also did that with the Samaritans, and for ritual rather than ethnographic reasons "they do not keep the Torah correctly" = "they are Gentiles" ...

Well, no, the Church of Jerusalem and the Church of Samaria in Acts 2 and 8 were not Gentiles and neither are Samaritans today. Or Palestinian Christians.

2:11 Paul is telling Roman Christians, they are grafted in. He's not saying that to Christians in Jerusalem or Samaria.

For I say to you, Gentiles: as long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry
[Romans 11:13]

He's not saying all Christians are Gentiles.

For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again
[Romans 11:21-23]

This means, Jews who refuse Christ are not yet grafted back.

3:26 There was basically a nation of Israel, it was the Christians in Palestine.

Most Church Fathers were not from there, and Calvin was neither from there, nor did he remain fully a Christian, since he left the Church of Christ and founded his own "Church" ...

3:45 In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David, that is fallen: and I will close up the breaches of the walls thereof, and repair what was fallen: and I will rebuild it as in the days of old That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and all nations, because my name is invoked upon them: saith the Lord that doth these things Behold the days come, saith the Lord, when the ploughman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed: and the mountains shall drop sweetness, and every hill shall be tilled And I will bring back the captivity of my people Israel: and they shall build the abandoned cities, and inhabit them: and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine of them: and shall make gardens, and eat the fruits of them. And I will plant them upon their own land: and I will no more pluck them out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God
[Amos 9:11-14]

Fulfilled in Resurrection and in Pentecost, which happened over Israelites, whose descendants today are usually referred to as Palestinians.

5:34 When Jews become Jews for Jesus, they should become brothers with the oldest group of Jews for Jesus in the world, the Christian Palestinians.

Not trying to bring them into something like Pentecostalism, but instead go to the Catholic Church.