Tuesday, January 15, 2019

... on Homosexuality

Answers #26 | Does Trauma Cause Homosexuality?
TheFuelProject | 28.VIII.2017

1:27 I think, however, that for instance a man's testosterone levels have a genetic component.

I think the testosterone level was comparable in men like James III of Scotland, James VI of Scotland who became James I of England and perhaps in the Stuart claimant Francis II.

That is each of these men was slightly androgynous.

Now, James III was fully heterosexual. He was also artistic. Courtly culture in Middle Ages tended to feminising anyway, and no one saw anything unremarkable with him, so, he was fully heterosexual, and fully melting in as a good courtier.

James VI had been raised by Puritans (or Scottish Calvinists, but they were close). They had a much lower view of women and of femininity in men. He was very arguably bisexual, with even a hint of neglecting his wife.

Francis II was probably less scarred than the man raised by people who had helped to murder his mother. But he was raised in an atmosphere of science belief. He's not married, and there seem to be some rumours he has a relationship with his medical practitioner.

Wait .... there is a hint he was scarred after all:

"Franz was born in Munich. During the Second World War, the Wittelsbachs were anti-Nazi.[1] The family initially left Nazi Germany for Hungary but were eventually arrested when Germany invaded the country in 1944. Franz was only 11 at the time. He spent time in several Nazi concentration camps, including Oranienburg and Dachau.[1]"


I think, genetically speaking, he and James VI and I had the same chance of being heterosexual married men.

But education deprived them of the full span of that possibility.

Romans 1:[23] And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. [24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

St. Paul is speaking about a Pagan society. Does a man individually have to be idolator to become homosexual? Perhaps not, perhaps it is sufficient that men around him (like the Calvinists around James VI or the science believers around Franz of Bavaria) are bullies out of .... idolatry of, for instance, a specific ideal of manhood.

5:18 I'm so far missing Wilde.

"Attracted by its dress, secrecy, and ritual, Wilde petitioned the Apollo Masonic Lodge at Oxford, and was soon raised to the "Sublime Degree of Master Mason".[21] During a resurgent interest in Freemasonry in his third year, he commented he "would be awfully sorry to give it up if I secede from the Protestant Heresy".[22] Wilde's active involvement in Freemasonry lasted only for the time he spent at Oxford and his membership of the Apollo University Lodge lapsed after non-payment of subscriptions.[23] He was deeply considering converting to Catholicism, discussing the possibility with clergy several times. In 1877, Wilde was left speechless after an audience with Pope Pius IX in Rome.[24] He eagerly read Cardinal Newman's books, and became more serious in 1878, when he met the Reverend Sebastian Bowden, a priest in the Brompton Oratory who had received some high-profile converts. Neither his father, who threatened to cut off his funds, nor Mahaffy thought much of the plan; but mostly Wilde, the supreme individualist, balked at the last minute from pledging himself to any formal creed. On the appointed day of his baptism, Father Bowden received a bunch of altar lilies instead. Wilde retained a lifelong interest in Catholic theology and liturgy.[25]"


In his case, I'd say freemasonry was the scar ... or rather idolatry.

While I hope the priest who was sent to his death bed could give extreme unction to an unconscious man having repented last moment, he is alas buried with Masonic honours.

8:24 In fact, Norton's experience inverts my own.

As does Oscar Wilde's.

I was very close to Catholic when returning to Sweden, and in that culture of Apostasy and Liberal "Lutheran" Protestantism, I was very unhappy.

Fun fact : I haven't become gay.

Here is the inversion to Oscar's case : I rejected freemasonry and did convert to Catholicism.

12:14 The love story of Eowyn and Faramir was also a working out of brokenness.

Supposing you met a couple like Eowyn and Faramir in real life - would you encourage them because they are heterosexual? Or would you consider they should be off marriage bc of the brokenness involved?

I mean, Faramir was not quite manly and Eowyn a bit too manly, shouldn't they get some healing instead?

On your view. That is.

Since one of the gay actors [see below] was an internet celebrity, I looked up that category.

One of them, I don't know if he's gay or straight or bi, but I do know he is New Atheist.

I also know, he's from a broken family.

Pat Condell:

"Condell was born in Ireland[3] and raised in England as a Roman Catholic.[2] His father was a compulsive gambler working in a betting shop until he was sent to prison for stealing money; he then died of leukaemia.[2] The Condell family in consequence was impoverished, moving repeatedly from home to home."

"He was educated in several different Church of England schools in South London; saying of this time: "I found myself segregated in assembly and shunted into another room while everyone said their morning prayers. The whole pantomime seemed hollow to me even then. Once you become aware of the gulf between what people profess to believe and how they actually behave, it’s hard to take any of it seriously."[2]"


Fun fact, while my experience mirrors his school experience, it sent me the other way, to Catholic conversion.

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I think there is a comment missing somewhere ... I noted that there was a list of gay actors on wiki.


Here is letter B, if you like to make an unbiassed choice of investigation material:

Dirk Bach
David Bacon (actor)
Tim Bagley
Nakshatra Bagwe
Long John Baldry
Lorenzo Balducci
Tom Ballard
Paolo Ballesteros
Samuel Barnett (actor)
Frank A. Barnhart
John Barrowman
Adam Barta
Paul Bartel
Murray Bartlett
Neil Bartlett (playwright)
Peter Bartlett (actor)
Lance Bass
Bryan Batt
Ben Baur
Geoffrey Bayldon
Gary Beach
Rikki Beadle-Blair
Simon Russell Beale
Albrecht Becker
Tony Beckley
Brian Bedford
Brad Bell (producer)
Willam Belli
Paul Bellini
Declan Bennett
Jonathan Bennett (actor)
George Beranger
Stephen Beresford
Sturla Berg-Johansen
Christopher Bernau
Kester Berwick
Thom Bierdz
Christopher Biggins
George Birimisa
Jack Birkett
Richard Blaimert
Kayden Boche
Matt Bomer
Gary Bond
Klaus Bondam
Zachary Booth
Walter Borden
Jake Borelli
Francisco Bosch
David Dean Bottrell
Bette Bourne
Jeff Bowen
Jeffrey Bowyer-Chapman
Daniel Boys
Wilfrid Brambell
Henry Brandon (actor)
Guy Branum
André Brassard
David Brazil (promoter)
Bunny Breckinridge
P. J. Brennan
Scott Brennan (comedian)
Jos Brink
Patrick Bristow
Bill Brochtrup
Daniel Brocklebank
Trev Broudy
Adam Brown (actor)
Erik Bruhn
Dan Bucatinsky
Bill Buckley (radio presenter)
Michael Buckley (Internet celebrity)
Jim J. Bullock
Victor Buono
Tituss Burgess
Simon Burke
Raymond Burr
Geoffrey Burridge
David Burtka
Charles Busch
Dan Butler

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