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... on Geocentrism and Heliocentrism

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Geocentric and Heliocentric theories of the solar system
Michael DiPasquale | 8.III.2017

From description of video
This video compares the geocentric theory to the heliocentric theory of the universe. This video also references the history of astronomy.

Me on that one:
The comparison is lopsided and the history of astronomy is ill told.

on the diverse sequential parts of it:

3:16 - 3:25

"and [Copernicus] formulated a radical view that would change society's view of the solar system, and roughly around the same time, Galileo Galilei was working with the first telescope."

Now, let's look at a few dates.

"Nicolaus Copernicus (Polish: Mikołaj Kopernik; German: Nikolaus Kopernikus; Niklas Koppernigk; 19 February 1473 – 24 May 1543)"

"Galileo Galilei (15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642)"

So, Galileo was working at his telescope 21 years before he was born?

Or Nicolas Copernicus was writing his work 66 years after he died?

Did I ever say sth about scientists being lousy at history, including history of science?

4:04 - 4:12
"[Copernicus applied] mathematical theories to the orbits of the planets and to the motions witnessed on Earth, with he result of the earth revolving around the Sun, that was the only way that those motions could really exist"

No, it was the only way that he could describe the motions without using a spirograph.

He did not have a physical theory saying motions must be simple enough for purely physical factors.

4:42 - 5:00
"Almost a hundred years later, Johannes Kepler correctly predicted the relationships between planets and their orbits, instead of orbitting in perfect circles as suggested by the geocentric model and then also put together by Copernicus, Kepler concluded concluded that the orbits were ellipses or oval shaped"

Galileo was placed in house arrest 1633 to his death.

Kepler was dead since 1630. So, he made his discovery 103 years after he died?

5:00 - 5:19
"and Isaac Newton, working in a separate part of Europe, was able to put together an improvement to the heliocentric theory that demonstrated how all of the planets in our solar system were held together by a universal law of gravitation"

Kepler had already suggested magnetism.

When is the program mentioning Riccioli, who accepted the ellipses, rejected the heliocentrism and also rejected the magnetism, in favour of angelic movers ... (wait, did I suggest a pop version of Astronomical history would mention Riccioli? That would be awfully stiff to show too much learning about real historical facts, wouldn't it?)

The program also hasn't deigned to mention Tycho, the teacher of Kepler, that would be too highbrow.

Tychonic system, what's that, like?

Not as if it were mentioned in one process Galileo saw ...?

6:01 - 6:05
"Isaac Newton who was able to prove all that to be true, by offering up his law of universal gravitation"

Which only proves all this true if you presume "automatic" or non-voluntary causes like gravitation to be the only regularly relevant ones. As Sungenis has argued, perhaps not even then, but definitely not if you are willing (as people would have been then all over the masses) to accept God moving directly or ordering angels how to move the bodies.

But Newton did not in fact disprove the angelic movers of St. Thomas Aquinas and of Riccioli, so he did not in fact prove Heliocentrism.

Before 6:33 "this model is the result of thousands of years of scientists, mathematicians, some never knowing"

While it is a result of their work, it is not the only possible remaining one.

7:08 No, telescopes and unmanned spacecraft do not prove heliocentrism over Tychonian model (with the Riccioli update of elliptic orbits taken over from Heliocentric Kepler).

One can say they disprove the most Classic Ptolemaic version of Geocentrism, but Tychonian model is also Geocentric, it also has the Earth as centre of the Universe.

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