Sunday, May 1, 2022

Loren D. Haarsma isn't Catholic ...

Christianity Today Has Gone Off The Deep End...
29 April 2022 | Answers in Genesis


2:23 Unless, of course, you mean things like "evolution" of 5 genera and 17 species of hedgehogs from one couple on the Ark.

But I suppose the comment, alas, was not a symptom of ignoring baraminology.


3:28 I just lambasted one "Catholic" "Assumptionist" "Priest" last year or the one before ... over his taking Option 3.

The Council of Trent, Session V, deals with Original Sin and its definition (with a solemn anathema on those countervening) certainly leave no room for option 3 - and not even for option 2.

It involves Adam - not Adam and Eve - originating Original Sin by his first sin, and "statim" (at once) losing grace and (even conditional) immortality for himself and all descendants. The archetypal approach of option 3 and the gradual approach of option 2 are incompatible with these definitions.

Option 1 is so totally "God doesn't need to be just, we are so corrupt, even God's perfect justice would seem injust to us" Calvinist or Lutheran, because it would be blatantly unjust for God to deprive one innocent couple of grace because He had chosen another couple, Adam and Eve, to represent them, and they screwed up. However, this is also very close to the "imputed only" justice in Luther and (I think) Calvin too - it would mean those believing in Christ had a new representative, and could be "just" even while guilty, objectively, because God sees only their representative. Against this, the Council of Frankfurt defined "God predestines noone to evil" - "Deus praedestinat neminem ad malum."

I used quotation marks for "Catholic" because according to Trent he is not, around "Assumptionist" because the rules of that congregation presumably include a duty to remain Catholic, and around "priest" because his being in the Novus Ordo sect involves a risk at least of his ordination being invalid.

Option 3 is even against Vatican II, even if that council is arguably a false one : "occasionally" getting revelations from God as per option 3 is quite a different situation from the one painted by § 3 in Dei Verbum:

3. God, who through the Word creates all things (see John 1:3) and keeps them in existence, gives men an enduring witness to Himself in created realities (see Rom. 1:19-20). Planning to make known the way of heavenly salvation, He went further and from the start manifested Himself to our first parents. Then after their fall His promise of redemption aroused in them the hope of being saved (see Gen. 3:15) and from that time on He ceaselessly kept the human race in His care, to give eternal life to those who perseveringly do good in search of salvation (see Rom. 2:6-7). Then, at the time He had appointed He called Abraham in order to make of him a great nation (see Gen. 12:2). Through the patriarchs, and after them through Moses and the prophets, He taught this people to acknowledge Himself the one living and true God, provident father and just judge, and to wait for the Savior promised by Him, and in this manner prepared the way for the Gospel down through the centuries.

Everything fully compatible with YEC, nothing incompatible with it, and this "ceaselessly" being at least potentially hard to reconcile with a Deep Time compromise.

And option 4 is a morally somewhat different but historically near identical version of option 3 (related to each other about like Catholic and Calvinist exegesis of Genesis 3, both respecting, like options 3 and 4 both disrespect, the Bible story line).


8:29 I just checked out Loren D. Haarsma. The contact info is on first option from "" ...

Apart from his being a fairly probable Calvinist or Calvinist leaning Evangelical, he is also a natural scientist,* which means he may have (and what you have quoted shows he does have) issues with full comprehension both as to history and to theology and to exegesis.

* Credential list:
BS physics and mathematics, Calvin College, 1985
MS physics, University of Washington, 1987
PhD physics, Harvard University, 1994


10:13 Speaking of which, did you see that Bible code "scroll" from Genesis 1, with Jesus and God in the shape of a cross?

Slain from the beginning of creation, indeed. And yes, that means the Gospel starts in Genesis.

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