Sunday, April 9, 2023

With ONE Proviso - Sharing

How Rock Layers & Fossils DISPROVE Evolution
Answers in Genesis, 7 April 2023

1:51 "the local rocksequences generally follow the order of the geologic column"

In lithology, yes.

In marine biology, possibly, even somewhat probably.

In land vertebrate biology, no. You find one fossil bearing layer. When it's land vertebrates.

Land vertebrates started in Carboniferous

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@globalcoupledances I think you miss the point.

A layer with land vertebrates is not considered as "older than carboniferous" - but a layer with land vertebrate fossils is usually a standalone layer.

@Hans-Georg Lundahl Standalone? Carboniferous - Permian -Triassic - Jurassic - Cretaceous - Paleocene - Eocene - Oligocene - Miocene - Pliocene - Pleistocene - Holocene all together stndalone?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@globalcoupledances In land vertebrates, in each actual locality where fossils are found, exactly one is found.

Before you cite Karoo for four of them (Permian through Cretaceous), Karoo is no more a place than Yellowstone is. The Permian fauna in Karoo has not been found under the Triassic, the Triassic not under the Jurassic. They are found in different places in Karoo. Not over and under each other.

2:34 Well, it certainly makes sense you would find trilobite fossils under fish fossils, and fish fossils under plesiosaur fossils or ichthyosaur fossils or whale fossils.

It doesn't make sense you should find fossils of dimetrodontes in lower layers than fossils of fossil sloths - and as far as I know, you don't.

Where you find fossil sloths, you would tend to find no fossils (especially no land vertebrate fossils) below.

Where you find a fossil dimetrodon, you tend to find no fossils above them, or any land vertebrate, except possibly marine fossils, which is explainable if flood waters brought them along. I think there is exactly one such case, Cretaceous Ceratopsians covered in Paleogene shrimps or lobsters. I think that's in Lower California, on the Mexican side. But it's years since I lost the reference, so I can't give you one.

Also sharing a dialogue:

When he's speaking to a creationist audience, this guy denies millions of years. When writing for a geological audience, he affirms millions of years. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Where and when did he affirm millions of years? People grow, learn, and change.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
I am reminded of Professor Tryggve Mettinger.

Since then, he has given a great lecture, academically, which is good apologetics.

But back that day, when ma took me to his lecture, one or two days I visited her studies, he exposed the Bibel Babel ideology in the lecture. Like, "the Bible got stories from Babylonian mythology" - after the lecture, I confronted him (with some shyness, I was only 13) about the possibility of both Biblical and Babylonian stories going back to the actual events.

He said he agreed with me, but he had to follow the rules of the university as a lecturer.

One of my reasons to not put too much trust into academia.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Potatoes I suppose he is formulating some of the peer reviewed material (non-creationist publications) so as not to omit the datings given, and probably in a sufficiently offhand way as not to directly say he believes those dates.

@Potatoes Read this article: Will the Real Dr Snelling Please Stand Up?

Other dialogue:

#FilAm Couple_ Team Alleiah
If there was such a flood wouldn't rapid and catastrophic flooding be very injurious and destructive to soft bodied organisms? How does a massive flood assist preservation?

Tone 935
Not to mention why would a sudden flood create well defined sediment layers with different organisms filtered almost perfectly in each layer. Wouldn’t a flash flood just mix all the corpses together indiscriminately as one layer?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
To Team Alleluia:

depends on the angle.

If a soft bodied organism is swept away thousands or at least hundreds of miles, it arrives in minuscule shreds. Even creatures with spines would arrive in small bone fragments, usually too far apart for assembling as one skeleton.
If mud is dumped at the right angle, which happens when the water is supersaturated with mud particles, the mud comes like a mold, and the softness of the mud is sufficient to preserve the soft bodies organism.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Tone 935 Same as my last point to Team Alleluia : you think of what happens when the waters are not saturated, yes, the things would mix - but with supersaturated water at high speeds, like 20 m/s, deposits happen during the Flood, and separate things from each other.

Where land animals were living before the Flood, there is usually exactly one layer of fossils. Dated to whenever the biotope is supposed to have lived.

Well, you're seeing it. It' there in front of your eyes. It happened. : )

@Tone 935 actually that's not what is seen in more recent events. There is defined layering when there are currents involved. The flood would have had currents and debris flows unlike anything we've ever seen. It's very possible to get the separate layers that way.

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