Friday, May 12, 2023

Who Really Hates Selfishness and Individualism - God or the Devil?

Satanism Goes Mainstream: This Is Twisted
Answers in Genesis, 12 May 2023

3:28 It seems you are taking this as about individualistic heresy.

Real Satanic kings, starting with Nimrod, all the way up to Lenin, who seems a good candidate for "seventh king" in the long term view, seem to me to have been more like collectivistic heretics.

I don't know Hebrew, but as far as I have been told, "Nimrod" does not mean "I shall rebel" but "we shall rebel" ...

5:32 "systematised selfishness"

Some Protestants seem to buy into the Neo-Pagan Stoic philosopher (and Calvinist Modernist) Kant.

For Kant, "selfishness" = evil, and "altruism" = good.

I see lots of modern Bible translations that warn against "selfishness" whereas in Douay Rheims (and I presume King James) the word does not exist.

It sometimes is replacing a word for impetuous passion, namely "zelus" in Latin, and sometimes is for being quarrelsome, i e "eritheia" in Greek (if I recall the Greek correctly).

Actually, Nimrod's most probable argument for forcing people to join the project of the élite back then, the Tower of Babel, was something like "it is selfish if you don't" - and God's cure against the globalised tyranny was imposing sth which some have called the epitome of selfishness - nations.

6:07 I would say imposing common centres of world views, other than God, is definitely antithetical to the Biblical worldview - but then, I consider it a point to ponder that "Nimrod" apparently means "we shall rebel" - we, not I - and I don't promote translations that even contain the word "selfish" ...

6:20 Sure, some people would be terrible gods to themselves and others individually. But there is a worse one, collectivised divinity claims.

That would include things like some Evangelicals, not saying it's the case with you, saying "we are the body of Christ" (while rebelling against the Catholic Church which is the mystical body), and concluding that people who disagree with them are rebelling against God.

Not sure you are square with your statement. I love some Catholics but if there faith is on the idols around their churches, the mother Mary, the sacraments or whatever else except faith the personage and the name of Jesus the only Begotten Son of the Father then you are part of an errant "mystical" system and I grieve your position

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@simply2sophisticated Well, whatever your personal excuses or not before God, your position is erroneous.

You are outside the household of God which St. Paul called pillar and ground of the truth.

@Hans-Georg Lundahl Dear friend, let's put aside churches etc.

For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves lest any man should boast for we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus

If you stand on anything but Christ alone you are looking at a faith that cannot save you

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@simply2sophisticated You like truncating quotes, don't you?

For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; Not of works, that no man may glory. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8 - 10

When we talk about initial salvation, from a state of original or mortal sin or both, no previous work on the part of the person saved is either required or even possible.

However, while this initial salvation, as one goes from a state of sin, is indeed not from works, it is in works - that is into them for the person himself, and often enough inside the ones of others (a priest baptising, for instance).

6:28 Checking, and it is noteworthy
God says:
But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.
Satan says:
For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.

God is the individualist. Satan is the collectivist.

If Aleister Crowley thought he was genuinely serving Satan when saying "do what thou wilt" he was a bungler ... or a devious false flag attack, misleading people like you to see Satan's influence in individualism.

7:28 As you mention the temptations, only the first and least evil of them was in any sense individualist selfishness.

The further on the devil went, the more collectivism there was to it.

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