Monday, December 18, 2023

David Wood Tried to Justify Zionism (commenting up to 5:22 in the video)


Here is the video:

Who Does the Land Belong to Israelis or Palestinians?
Acts 17 Polemics | 3 Nov. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJiX9_spvak


Here is a comment with my own follow up comments:

Israel Doesn't Even Try To Hide Its Genocide On The Palestinians | Ambassador Chas Freeman
Neutrality Studies | 21 Nov. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXWHOhugyM


0:01 to 5:22

Let's break down two things mentioned.

a) European vs not European origin of Jews
b) "Muslim countries expelled Jews" (should Palestinian Muslims pay?)

a) European vs not European origin of Jews

"According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of January 1, 2020, of Israel's 9.136 million people, 74.1% were Jews of any background.[30] Among them, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries. Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, while around the same number are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey, and Central Asia. Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews.[31]"
wiki Israeli Jews
"There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as "Ashkenazi", "Mizrahi", etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[41][42] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as "Soviet" (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish groups.[43] Note that this methodology isn't exact: See, for example, Bulgarian or Greek Jews, who would be categorized as Ashkenazi according to this definition, although they are overwhelmingly Sephardic."
wiki Demographics of Israel

For the first of these, it seems nearly all Jews in Israel descend from some kind of aliyah, though it's not apparent that Ashkanazi and European Sepharads outnumber the other ones.

For the second, I am surprised that the Ashkenazi were so low, and the Mitsrahi so high ... but it seems the methodology tends to confuse Sabras when fourth generation with Mitsrahis. So, if eight great-grandparents were all either Ashkenazi immigrants or Sabras of Ashkenazi origin, that magically makes them Mitsrahis, because they are older presence Sabras ... I note that European outnumber Western North African (Moroccan-Tunisian-Algerian).

b) "Muslim countries expelled Jews" (should Palestinian Muslims pay?)

The Algerian or Iraqi governments expelling Jews were of Muslim confession. So are pretty many of the Palestinians. So, is it fair to deny aliyah to those stricken by Naqba and similar in retaliation for Algerian and similar expulsions?

For one thing, does it strike the Christian Palestinians too? Yes. Is that because they, like Hitler, have Roman Catholic, or like Stalin, Eastern Orthodox, baptismal certificates, in a similar retaliation?

Would the logic be OK with Jews at the butt end of the retaliation?

Lev Bronstein, Béla Kun, Rosa Luxemburg and lots of other Jews committed atrocities in certain Revolutions, therefore committing atrocities against Jews is ok. Really?

Would you target Ben Shapiro's children because George Soros promotes abortion?

Have we seen some régime do that kind of logic, like one ending 78 years and a few months ago?

Is the murder of two Christian women because Hitler had a Catholic baptismal certificate?

Latin Patriarchate Says Israel "Murdered" Two Christian Women Inside Church
Reason & Theology | 16 Dec. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jAYCOAa9ks


For Jews expelled from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria, I think quite many got to France, they had already been familiar with French from the colonial period, they would have had a harder time accomodating to English or to learning Hivrit in an Ulpan. They have been welcome in France (except for an interlude starting 1940) since the 1870 Crémieux Decree.

Speaking of which, Netanyahu has made their position, as well as that of earlier Jewish populations in France, a bit less comfortable, and France is arguably not the worst place right now.

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