Wednesday, February 22, 2023

Youth and Ash Wednesday, and a Look at J.P. Holding

Temporal Mission 1, Part 1: Reversing the Juvenilization
tektontv, 29 Jan. 2023

Oh, you are going to argue against the early Christians?

Sts Barbara, Lucy, Agnes and Agatha were martyred at what exact age?

Thomas E. Bergler wouldn't have approved of it ... perhaps that was the rationale of St. Lucy's persecutor Paschasius - do you think he was a Jew? A lapsed Catholic? A bad Catholic?

Because Paschasius includes a reference to Pascha, we can rule out he was simply a Roman Pagan since immemorial times in his ancestry.


Ben Thomason
I have a question about the Census described in Matthew. I've just been told that we don't actually have any records of the Romans taking a census that required everyone to return to their ancestral homelands, that this is thought to have just been Luke trying to connect Jesus to King David, and that such an undertaking would be a logistical nightmare. "You would have to shut down the entire economy for what? A month probably? Who would farm? How would people be fed? Who would guard the towns? Did everyone bring their pets with them? Did people get paid for this trip or did they just eat the cost? What about the aged, the infirm, and the insane?"

What say you?

That's a dumb quote. The "economy" would not have been affected at all; many of those who worked were journeymen able to take their trade with them, and they'd find plenty of work in the Jerusalem area. That said, the census was probably coordinated with a Jewish festival, which meant everyone was already in town. Next this dumbass will ask what they did with their pets and how farms managed when everyone went to festivals.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
"I've just been told that we don't actually have any records of the Romans taking a census that required everyone to return to their ancestral homelands,"

I argue St. Joseph was making a pun on "each in his city" .... and by so doing managing to avoid for some time Roman tax collectors.

In the reign of Herod, Judaea and Bethlehem had no Roman tax collectors. Precisely as Puerto Rico doesn't have tax collectors of the IRS (I think it's called).

The operative thing is, a Galilaean was supposed to do the census in Galilaea, not in Egypt, an Egyptian in Egypt, not in Syria etc ... and for other census types than taxes, a man of Pompeii (still standing) was not allowed to do it in Herculaneum (also still standing).

The Roman Empire (including the late Republic) was as federal as the US. Or as the HRE (where Liechtenstein was state n. 343, easy to recall as it's the cube of seven). "City" in the context means a subdivision of "Imperium Romanum" ... except St. Joseph's city was outside it (and he took the wording in the meaning they would have in Jewish culture).

People living far away from their "city" would usually have been Roman citizens who didn't at this time have to pay taxes to Rome anyway, but were instead likely to provide legionaries by volunteering .... so, no real problem for the economy.

I was hoping to have more videos to comment on prior to Ash Wednesday, if the "Temporal Mission" was going to be about "Reversing the Juvenilization" ... have so far not yet seen any more, though./HGL

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