Sunday, October 2, 2022

Someone is Quickly Silencing My Dissent from Preterism

Trent Horn, Allie Beth Stuckey and some others have not yet admitted to deleting my comments as I post them. Neither have owners of relevant cybers (I have not asked them). As usually in such cases, I end my commenting, as I do not fancy getting next comment deleted too, and I end my watching, as I do not enjoy watching something on which I have reservations without being free to comment.

What is the mark of the beast (a.k.a. 666)? (with Jimmy Akin)
30th of Sept. 2022 | The Counsel of Trent

0:57 Fifty episodes ago.

St. Caesarius of Arles knew St. John at less distance of intermediates than St. Irenaeus?

Btw, neither of them was a Preterist.

1:30 By the time we get to verse 18, we have had both "first" and "second" beast presented.

And while image of the beast (portrait or video) would primarily refer to first beast, the number or character could refer to either one or both.

[Yep, the following one was taken away]

2:04 As for first verse proving preterism, see the Challoner comment:

[1] "Things which must shortly come to pass": and again it is said, ver. 3, The time is at hand-- This cannot be meant of all the things prophesied in the Apocalypse, where mention is made also of the day of judgment, and of the glory of heaven at the end of the world. That some things were to come to pass shortly, is evident, by what is said to the Seven Churches, chap. 2 and 3, Or that the persecutions foretold should begin shortly. Or that these words signified, that all time is short, and that from the coming of Christ, we are now in the last age or last hour. See 1 John 2. 18.

Douay Rheims Bible Online dot org uses both the Challoner revision (in black) and (in red) Challoner comment.

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Next question is of course, is the perspective for "soon" from:

  • St. John and his contemporaries?
  • St. John doing a time travel (machinery can't but God can provide it)?
  • St. John in a parallel world meant to show forth this one at that end time, a bit like (literary fictional example) the world of Narnia _could_ have been so created (if Pevensies and Kirke's and Frank the cab man had been real people)?

Soon must be applicable to our world. So even in a parallel universe created by God and to which St. John was given access, if it was soon in that world, it would also be soon in this world. But obviously, two days are definitely soon in human interactions and that's two thousand years from God's perspective. We are _approaching_ 2000 years from AD 33.

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