Monday, October 10, 2022

This is Not to Make Another or Stronger Indictment of Putin, It Involves Keeping Him as a Suspect

Father Spyridon Probably Mostly Right About the Antichrist · This is Not to Make Another or Stronger Indictment of Putin, It Involves Keeping Him as a Suspect · Can Mask- and Vax-Mandates be the Mark?

For what? He already is a war criminal in Ukraine and earlier in Chechnya or Georgia ... yeah, I meant for this other thing, not yet documented as directly in his actions:

Who Is the Antichrist? Bible Expert's Take Amid Putin's Chaos
4th of March 2022 | CBN News

1:45 First disagreement here.

Revelation 6 has four riders, but, the Catholic and Evangelical exegesis disagree about the first one. The other three are certainly evil entities.

To us Catholics, the rider on the white horse is Christ.

"he went forth conquering that he might conquer"

The first seal corresponds to Christ's initial offer to the nations. Through His Church He goes forth "conquering that he might conquer" - as foreseen and indeed promised in Matthew 28:16-20, the "all nations" part.

But another thing is, Putin has been on the scene pretty long, and initially he was a kind of peacebroker with the West.

1:47 Second disagreement, "he" in Daniel 9:27 is also Christ.

9:26 directly mentions Christ. But look at he shall confirm the covenant with many and confer Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

The New Testament is also called the New Covenant, and it is "with many" because non-Hebrews are no longer excluded.

2:59 I recalled - but couldn't find when looking up - "sea of many nations" ... and in fact Putin is from the Baltic, which has at least 10 nations around itself.

He is born in Leningrad, which is part of the Finnish Bay, which is part of the Baltic.

3:16 As you recalled the Roman Empire (which certainly involved lots and lots of nations), the Russian one:

  • poses as continuation of Rome (Rome 1 = Rome, Rome 2 = Constantinople, Rome 3 = Moscow)
  • which is a pose that Putin favours
  • and involves in fact very many nations (I think more than just the ten around the Baltic).

"doesn't fit the parameters of where the Antichrist is coming from, geographically"

Said by an US American, who are so well known to be great geography students. "Switzerland? Where they make great clocks and choclate and where the ice bears walk in the capital" as a certain Boy Wonder put his geographical knowledge (for some reason earning him a slap from Batman).

Let me cite the German wiki on "Sprachen Rußlands" : "Auf dem Territorium der Russischen Föderation ist Russisch die dominierende Sprache und überall die Amtssprache. Nach Schätzung des Ethnologue werden daneben über 100 Sprachen verschiedener Sprachfamilien gesprochen."

The similar passage is in English "Of all the languages of Russia, Russian, the most widely spoken language, is the only official language at the national level. There are 35 languages which are considered official languages in various regions of Russia, along with Russian. There are over 100 minority languages spoken in Russia today." (Languages of Russia).

Putin isn't a supposed peacemaker 🙏

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@perle13930 He isn't so any longer. He was so in 1998. That's when he came to the scene. Plus, supposed peacemaker is anyway a doubtful epithet for the Antichrist.

Kuzya Shko
Putin wasn't born in St.Petersburg. So he is technically not from there.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Kuzya Shko Ah, where was he born?

Btw, he started his carreere in St. Petersburg ...

@Kuzya Shko Three wikis say he was born in what was then Leningrad (the same city that is now St. Petersburg, again)
English wiki has:
"Putin was born on 7 October 1952 in Leningrad, Soviet Union (now Saint Petersburg, Russia),[22][23] the youngest of three children of Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin (1911–1999) and Maria Ivanovna Putina (née Shelomova; 1911–1998)"
German wiki has:
"Wladimir Putin wurde am 7. Oktober 1952 in Leningrad geboren.[7] Er war das dritte Kind der Familie. Zwei ältere, Mitte der 1930er Jahre zur Welt gekommene Brüder starben im Kindesalter. Mitte 2013 berichtete Wladimir Putin im russischen Fernsehen, dass seine Mutter ihn früh heimlich habe taufen lassen, ohne dem Vater davon etwas zu sagen.[8]"
French wiki has:
"Vladimir Vladimirovitch Poutine (en russe : Влади́мир Влади́мирович Пу́тин...) est un homme d'État russe, né le 7 octobre 1952 à Léningrad (aujourd'hui Saint-Pétersbourg)."

If you have any other information, please tell me!

Kuzya Shko
@Hans-Georg Lundahl There was a Polish journalist who did a lot of investigating into Putin's background. She had some convincing evidence that he wasn't born in St.petersburg, and that he was later adopted (I think a family member) who lived there.

The name of the writer is Krystyna Kurczab-Redlich.

Given that Putin was in KGB and he changed the names of his daughters (from 1st marriage), and almost nothing or very little is known about his other illegitimate children, I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of his official biography is more closely aligned with Krystyna Kurczab-Redlich research than what's on Wikipedia.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Kuzya Shko It is possible.

But still, after KGB, it was in St. Petersburg that he began his carreere as a politician.

Plus, the Apocalypse may be referring to what is officially known rather than to what are secret facts.

4:20 When the invaders are annihilated in Ezechiel 38, can you prove to me biblically that this differs from Armageddon battle, like Apoc. 19:21?

There is a 7 year cleanup after Ezekiel 38. Not after armageddon

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Ryan If there is an earthly millennium after Armageddon, it could start with seven years of weapon burning. Found your reference, Ezechiel 39:9.

If there isn't, there are minimally seven years between Gog Magog war and Armageddon.

5:20 Antiochus IV Epiphanes (five are fallen), Nero or more probably Domitian (one is), but who for the seventh (and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time)?

I think Lenin was both more evil than Hitler and remained for a shorter while. Persecution of Christians and frontal attack on all traditional institutions is more evil than persecuting only Jews and Gipsies and Handicapped. 6 years from late 1917 to early 1924 is shorter than 12 years from 1933 to 1945.

Then the next verse : And the beast which was, and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction.

One option is of course : it is neither a new Hitler nor a new Lenin, but for instance a new Domitian or Antiochus or even (Rob Skiba II) a new Nimrod.

But when it comes to the option it's a "new version of the seventh" I think a new Lenin is worth to look out more against than a new Hitler.

5:40 You are missing there are in fact two competing globalisms.

A liberal globalism with "Pope Francis" and Joe Biden as most prominent religious and secular figures (not sure even Charles III can compete with either).

And a conservative one, with Putin and "Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI" as most prominent political and religious figure.

All four pay some kind of lip service to Catholic (three of them) or near Catholic (Putin) Christianity. And all four think it's OK for a doctor who made an abortion to not be taken to prison for it, but rather paid by tax money.

A few years ago, Putin had a more credible rival in the conservative field, namely Lech Kaczyński. He died in a plane crash. Zia ul Haqq also died in a plane crash - commonly in the West attributed to KGB (where a certain Putin once made a career).

And don't forget, in the latest US election, Putin expressed disappointment with Trump and a welcome for Biden (referring to the fact he was for 15 years of his life a member of the Communist party).

I think the liberal globalism will fail, and the globalism that has sufficient success to dominate the world is the "conservative" one ... and I say that as a conservative. Or if you prefer, reactionary.

6:24 "it's going to be very Anti-Semitic as well"

Where did you get that one from?

Apocalypse 11:7 tells us, the Antichrist "the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss" will have no social trouble killing the two witnesses in a city identified triply as earthly Jerusalem:
  • which is called spiritually, Sodom - you have Gay Pride, not just in Tel Aviv, but since 2002 in Jerusalem
  • and Egypt - also known as oppression, because of oppressing Palestinians (who are real Israelites, descending mainly from Judaeans, Samarians and Galilaeans 2000 years ago)
  • where their Lord also was crucified. - leaves no doubt.

So, arguably, Antichrist will work hand in hand with Zionism as it will be when he is there.

6:47 The "one restraining" was in fact removed in 1917 - 1918.

The East Roman Emperor was deposed in "October" 1917. He and his family were shot in Ekaterineburg.

The West Roman Emperor left Hofburg of Vienna in 1918.

So, this part of the II Thess. limit is certainly already fulfilled, Antichrist can already be revealed from that one.

And the closest immediate reveal is my candidate for the "seventh king" of the long term Satanic king list. Lenin.

Bertha Valle
Zechariah 11:17 ... 12:10, .....the anti christ will resurrect with a blind eye a paralyzed arm

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Bertha Valle True. But this does not mean he cannot be known before this event.

By the way, the arm may be paralysed or cut off chirurgically.

And the resurrection may be faked or metaphoric.

6:55 "Whatever is holding back Antichrist has to be more powerful than Antichrist..."

Correct, so far. As long as he's not taken out of the way.

"...more powerful than Satan."

Nah ... the one holding back could be inherently able to lose Christ's support, but even so using it de facto to hold Antichrist back up to when he's taken out of the way.

When Austria posed an Ultimatum to Serbia, and Russia posed one to Austria, over the investigation on catching Gavril Princip, both of them were (at least in a sense, for the Czar) Christian rulers. Both of them had praying for them and for their cause, priests, who made Christ present on the Altars. While Orthodox are Schismatics, they do have valid sacrements, some of them.

But they made war on each other. Christ defended neither against earthly defeat, and neither could, without Christ, without their previous power base, keep Lenin from taking power in Russia.

Look a bit in how Emperors made war on each other in the West in the mid-400's before the Barbarians came ...

6:58 No, the one holding back is NOT The Holy Spirit, who cannot be taken away from the Church, and NOT the Church, which will be here all days even to the consummation of all time.

The one holding back was (at least for Kaiser Karl the Last) part of the Church, and the Church with the power of the Holy Spirit did pray for him. But the prayers did not help Austria to be undefeated, since Pope St. Pius X had pleaded to stay out of war and had not been heard. The Emperors did not obey the Church, at least the Western Emperor did not obey his Church, and therefore the support of the Holy Spirit was withdrawn from these persons and from these earthly Empires, heirs of the Roman one, and the verse 7 of II Thess. 2, namely For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way, is already finished.

8:11 Is it sure that "the false prophet" is the second beast?

I know this is the standard interopretation. But there is also the 7 Day Adv one, stating US is the second beast (also features first beast as False Prophet).

Now, whether the second beast (from the land) is the False Prophet (Ratzinger is from Bavaria, inland, more precisely Marktl in Upper Bavaria) or the US (Biden is from Scranton, Delaware, also inland) ... it fits.

And if the False Prophet is not the second beast, who is he? Well, one option is he appears in Apoc. 13 as "the dragon" ...

8:38 Two horns like a lamb can refer to the miter of a bishop - but also to the bison having very small horns. Voice of a dragon can refer to bishops speaking false doctrine - but also to the bison having a very roaring voice.

10:01 "the Antichrist will suffer a fatal head wound"

Apoc. 13:3

And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to death: and his death's wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast.

Dimond Brothers considers this as also already fulfilled, since they consider Antipope Wojtyla's shooting in 13 May 1981 and his surviving it to be the fulfilment.

Who are My Suspects Overall?

False Prophet: 1) Antipope Emeritus, Benedict XVI, 2) Antipope Bergoglio.
First Beast: 1) Putin, 2) Biden
Second Beast if NOT = FP: 1) Biden
Dragon giving his power: 1) invisible = Satan, 2) Obama, 3) FP if NOT = Second Beast.

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