Monday, February 5, 2024

A Dialogue Between an Enquirer and a Calvinist : a Catholic's Footnotes

Preacher CHALLENGED by Intelligent College Student
Wretched | 12 Jan. 2019

1:51 "He makes you perfect in Christ."

On my account before Him?
Or in my essence?

Calvin says "on my account" and Catholicism says "in my essence" ...

A process that's finished the moment I step through the pearly gates, if I ever get there, but starts by not just hiding, but eradication, of my guilt past in the moment of justification.

Now, what happens after justification? Do I need to do good works to stay justified until that adds up to final perseverance or eternal salvation? Or is eternal salvation gained the moment I am justified, and what comes after that is "paper work" in my heavenly accounts + sometimes God chastising in this life a naughty child?

Tyndale said the latter to Latomus (in writing), and Latomus said the former to Tyndale in writing. As Tyndale didn't repent, Latomus had secular justice of the King of Spain, in Vilvoorde, burn Tyndale.

Ephesians 2 verses 8 and 9 only speak about up to justification. What comes after? Ephesians 2 verse 10. Look it up.

4:22 "the people is the Jews"

Spiritually: the Catholics. Including Palestinian Catholics.

After the flesh: Jews, Samaritans, Palestinians, Druz.

Among the Palestinians, obviously the Palestinian Catholics. They began in Acts 2 and Acts 8. Yes, I mean the book of Acts in the Bible.

6:33 "such a limited view of human history"

Did she say "hundreds and thousands of years" first?

Or "hundreds of thousands of years"?

I think the Old Earth Compromise, held by lots of people who believe they are Catholics (and believe Wojtyla and Ratzinger were Catholics and Popes and that Bergoglio is a Catholic and a Pope) leads to that exact conundrum.

One could have answered, the people who believed Gilgamesh had talked to Utnapishtim and become the great sage, well, the tablet is carbon dated to 1800 something BC, that means it's really from c. 1590 BC, when Moses was born, or a little before, that means they lived 1350 years after Noah's Flood, they lived less than 1000 years after Nimrod failed his Babel, they were basically believing things because they cowed down to bullies, like the last generation before the Flood.

They deserved their damnation.

And believing a far off small population outside that area (like Ötzi's homeland in the Ötztal Alps) could still have believed in God's promises to Noah, including that to Shem, and Genesis 3, is actually far less of a stretch than believing that Genesis 3 had been faithfully preserved by people over 100 000 years from Adam to Abraham.

Ötzi lived after Genesis 14, by the way. But still just above a millennium after the Flood and less than a millennium after Babel.

The vast vista of human history she prefers is killing souls.

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