Wednesday, November 2, 2022

This Also May Assist Some Who Labour in the Burden and Error of Protestantism, Insofar as Their Error is Rooted in Historic Prejudice

The Crusader Pub made an excellent answer to Todd Friel on Wretched. My comments add some nuance.

Happy Reformation Day, Ya Filthy Catholics!
The Crusader Pub, 2 Nov. 2022

2:04 The last image on his video you quote actually shows two people who aren't vicar and emeritus vicar of Christ, simply because they weren't Popes, because they weren't Catholics at the moment of accessing the papacy.

Evolutionist, does not equal Catholic.

Not to excuse the mixup of Todd Friel, but your answer lacks nuance.

3:42 You could add, it was actually Stephen III, not Stephen IV who was involved in overthrowing Constantine II - wiki has it for 768, but that is actually within the limits of Medieval incertainty about dating (some said Clovis I died in 555 because they confused the death of St Martin in 400 with that of his successor Brice in 444).

However, Stephen IV for Stephen III is not within the incertainty about dating.

5:09 It is not certain that the first Pope ever did fraternise with Judaisers even temporarily.

The Cephas in Galatians chapter 2 does not seem to add up with the Peter in Galatians 1.

Unless you presume that Peter was the only man named Cephas, when in fact it is probable the name is the Aramaic equivalent for Caiaphas. Last shadow of Christ in the OT carried the same name as first vicar of Christ in the NT - and so did the man who seemed to be a pillar of the Church.

I know this is not how St. Thomas Aquinas and even some Greek fathers take it, but whatever you think of Dimond Brothers, they had a video tracing my view (since watching it) to Clement the Stromatist. It's not a complete novum, it has some patristic support.

6:44 I did some research on Antisemitism in Germany ... it's either tied to periods of upheaval (Rex Rintfleisch and Dux Adolf were both active in periods without a Holy Roman Emperor in power and full control of the territory) or to a specific area, the Alemannic one.

I was willing to put First Crusade Antisemitism down to "periods of upheaval" - but it seems Worms is also in the vicinity of the Alemannic area. Not too far from Switzerland or Alsatia-Lotharingia.

8:20 I would differ from your analysis.

A Crusade can contain atrocities, because the Pope is not the commander in field and these do not always stay faithful to his intentions, and he doesn't bind them in strict detail, because he cannot foresee what they face.

It's more credible to blame Churchill for both deaths in the Blitz (there was a factory which he could have warned but didn't warn) and those in Dresden (a bombing he ordered as retaliation for the Blitz) than to blame popes for individual acts of war or war crimes in the Crusades.

8:49 Thank you.

They probably used Fox' Book of Martyrs or the Dutch work Martyrs' mirror as a makeshift for research when calling Albigensians what they absolutely weren't. My own decision to convert was after reading in Umberto Eco and fact checking in encyclopedias (or one, Nordisk Familjebok) what the Albigensians actually believed.

You see, I was already basically pro-Catholic, and hated the Reformation, with its evils reminiscent of the Russian Revolution, but I had retained a prejudice against the Inquisition as my excuse for deeming the Reformation more or less justified anyway.

10:39 Ha, you missed a chance.

I happened to track the story of the massacre in Palestrina down - and the source is the guy (Nogaret?) who put Boniface VIII into prison, where he died.

Wonder if Todd Friel is willing to blame Jews for things where the ultimate source is Der Stürmer?

11:01 Röttingen - this is outside the area of Alemannic Germans, but it is certainly within the era of Rex Rintfleisch ...

It can be added, the reason why the noble who organised this went under a pseudonym (contrary to the code of nobility) was that pogroms were heavily illegal. He didn't want his fief confiscated and his own person executed in a probably physically cruel manner.

He stopped within a month or two of Germany getting a King, Emperor Elect, again.

14:47 Wonderful point.

Todd Friel presumably isn't a Swedish Lutheran who can inherit the guilt of the War of Clubs (with the French Calvinist Mornay integrated into Swedish nobility of Finland and instigating the violence in retaliation for St Bartholomew's massacre). He presumably isn't an Anglican, or Methodist, who can have guilt for hospitals in Canada sterilising Indians (which Catholic hospitals didn't). His sect has historically clean hands for the same reason that a baby has clean hands. It's too young to have dipped them in blood.

But for precisely that reason, it's too young to be the Church for which Christ promised presence - since He promised His presence in Her - all the days from Ascension Day or some before (not sure if the Matthew 28 final scene is on Ascension Day or not) to Armageddon and Doomsday. Speaking of which, in those final 3 and a half years, the Church of Christ will not just be at the receiving end of violence, if it were so, why would armies get at them in that battle? But perhaps Todd Friel is a dispensationalist who considers that as coming on the hands of some saints after the "Church age" ... not true. Contradicts Mt 28:16-20.

15:30 In the years leading up to the Civil War, Baptists actually fell into three groups (and probable even then were not one denomination but several).

  • 1) Liberals of the North, against slavery
  • 2) Conservatives of the North, against slavery
  • 3) Conservatives of the South, for slavery.

And the latter voted Democrat. People like John McArthur would certainly fall under the description "Conservatives of the South" but by now they are against slavery and for Republicans and call that repentance and claim Conservatives of the North were fighting the good fight back in 1859.

However, while I disagree with "John Paul II" and some more (perhaps "Benedict XVI" certainly "Francis") doing "penance" for things that, as you say, were often not of the papacy, and also for things which I don't consider sinful (like emprisoning the Heliocentric Galileo and burning the Heliocentric and Pantheist or something Bruno). While, as said, I disagree with that, I also disagree with people like McArthur:

  • a) missing it entirely
  • b) while telling everyone to not miss their own repentance.

It can be added that Pope Pius IX both recognised the Confederacy and corresponded with the imprisoned Jefferson Davies.

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