Monday, March 12, 2018

... on Catholics in Elizabethan England

What was life like for Catholics during the Reformation and the Elizabethan Era?

Answer requested
by Alexandra Llamas

Hans-Georg Lundahl
History buff since childhood. CSL & Eco added to Medieval lore. + Classics.
Answered Feb 19
Since you say “Elisabethan era” I suppose you mean England.

Well, how was life for Baptists in Russia under Khrushchev?

Plus, a Baptist in Russia could not get executed for treason.

Obviously, if you kept a low profile and abstained from things usually part of Catholic faith - like going to Mass - you could be as safe as a Baptist in Soviet Russia opting for not possessing a Bible. Even so, that the Catholic also abstained from the forbidden service of Protestant “Eucharist” gave him disabilities, precisely as a Baptist opting out of communist party affiliated memberships (including Young Pioneers) because they involved profession of Atheism.

The infamous practise of taking away children from their parents due to religion of the latter, even if not directly outlawing that religion per se from being held (unlike Catholics taking away children from heretics thrown into prisons of Inquisition), which was much applied to Baptists in Soviet Russia, was inaugurated by Elisabethan authorities (I think, against Catholics), in the case where the commandment “honour thy father and thy mother” - which was, as in Catholic times, law of the land or even constitutional law - was “amended” by the “parens patriae” doctrine.

Parens in certain versions of Latin means relative, so not just my progenitors but also my children are in that sense “parentes”. That doctrine meant that if a child who was normally “parens patrum” - relative of his parents - was such only if the father was acting paternally “pater paternaliter”, and in other cases he was “parens patriae” - a relative of his fatherland.

Actually, I was looking it up, it seems the case in question involved a parent not considered sane (which could mean it was a Catholic, but they didn’t want to execute him, see comparison to Russia), and the wiki gave the motivation as here cited:

Parens patriae relates to a notion initially invoked by the King's Bench in the sixteenth century in cases of non compos mentis adults.[1]The notion dates from at least 1608, as recorded in Coke's Report of Calvin's Case, wherein it is said "that moral law, honora patrem...doubtless doth extend to him that is pater patriæ." The parens patriae doctrine was gradually applied to children throughout the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and has since evolved from one granting absolute rights to the sovereign to one more associated with rights and obligations of the state and courts towards children and incapacitated adults.

Parens patriae - Wikipedia

As you may know, Soviets have abused this against Baptists.

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