Friday, March 23, 2018

On Ten Heresies Often Seen Among Evangelicals

LizziesAnswers | 22.III.2018

I, Gnosticism
1:34 A spiritual only resurrection?

Actually that is one of the reasons I believe that Mainstream Protestantism is better with Heliocentrism than either Catholicism or Hebrew Roots, since these both proclaim a bodily resurrection very clearly.

Where is the Heaven that contains the bodies of at least Christ and the Blessed Virgin and will contain ours?

  • 1) Beyond the limits of visible universe being the traditional one, that is Empyrean Heaven just above sphere of fix stars, but in modern cosmology that would be 13.8 billion light years away in every direction we look;
  • 2) A kind of elfland with on and off visibility to us mundane, somewhere in space, and right now on an off mode of visibility - explains things, but is not traditional;
  • 3) non-spatial = Gnosticism, no bodily resurrection.

[If she answers, I'll update.]

II, Sabellianism
skipping to comment.

III Arianism, V Nestorianism
4:30 I just had this idea of Catholics each Dec 6 going out and slapping a JW, but actually, no, Arius had less excuse than Charles Taze Russell, since he grew up a Protestant, and St Nicholas actually apologised for the violence.

More seriously, if you did view God the Son in a Sabellian way, and did not explicitly repudiate His being the same as Jesus, it is perhaps more like the Nestorian heresy you held.

It is the top reason why "left wing" Protestants (unlike Lutherans and Anglicans) deny the words "mother of God", and it is also a reason for their heresies on other Marian dogmata.

Dimond Brothers, who are Sedevacantists, deal very thoroughly with that in these two videos:

Mary: Mother Of God & Ark Of The New Covenant - Absolute Proof! | 29.VIII.2018

Mary's Sinlessness: A Biblical Documentary | 28.VIII.2015

As you mentioned yourself as number 5 ...

IV Helvidianism
skipping comments.

More on V Nestorianism
7:51 Speaking of which [honouring Mary being about sound Christology], the Hail Mary.

In the Middle Ages, it was two Bible quotes + the name Jesus.

Now you add an extra prayer that can also be said separately, which the Orthodox also use, but only separately, and which begins "Holy Mary, Mother of God".

The Greek Orthodox Church on the other hand has a kind of Hail Mary (sung three times at vespers each day) where the Bible quotes are not exact but paraphrased, and the first word is "Theotoke" = "Mother of God".

VI, Pelagianism, VII Semi-Pelagianism
9:23 For God to be fully present in someone, they have to be in a state of grace.

This means, if they are in a state of original sin (we are not made or even born with God fully present in us, as in indwelling in our soul) or of mortal sin, they must be saved, get grace from God, namely, not just any actual graces, but sanctifying grace.

The usual road for the sanctifying grace is the seven sacraments, and of course, longing for a sacrament which no one is there to give you can replace it, at least momentarily.

The question between Feeneyites and others is, among other things, can non-guilty ignorance of Catholic doctrine and absence of Catholic sacraments last along the state of grace up to when you die?

Obviously, if God has given you sanctifying grace, at least usually He is going to take steps to give you the rest as well.

(Feeneyites delete "usually" and insert "always" [John 7:17] being a proof text : I said "at least usually" so as not to exclude "always").

9:59 "but that's just because we believe God is present in every single person"

By sanctifying grace? No. Some have not yet received it, some have already lost it.

11:15 God's grace is working in us all the time - as long as we don't reject it and lose it by mortal sin.

More on VII Semi-Pelagianism
10:36 Evangelicals being often enough Semi-Pelagian is actually not too ironic with Protestantism.

The original results of Reformation, "churches" one generation away from Catholicism, were really in some sense hyper-Augustinian and by concentrating on anti-Pelagian parts of St Augustine really had a perspective from which Molinism kind of looks like Semi-Pelagian.

However, the Evangelicals are more like 4 generations off the Reformation event in each denomination, meaning that they may have veered to where a Molinist would call them Semi-Pelagian.

VIII Iconoclasm
IX Sola Scriptura
skipping comments. She does just fine without me here.

X, Sola Fide
15:25 More if you are challenged on Sola Fide:

Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Philippians Chapter 2 : [12] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation. [13] For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will. [14] And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; [15] That you may be blameless, and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world.

It may pay off to read also previous verses, since the work of Christ in Incarnation and redemption and its being to the Glory of God is what "wherefore" refers back to.

You may also get a thing or two on Church history about a Council of Orange. Yes, it condemned Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism, BUT it did so by enumerating a lot of works as the fruits of grace.

Keeping commandments, fasting, giving alms, pilgrimages, vows and some more are there all enumerated as fruits of grace.

In other words, nothing like "if you believe in grace, you don't need these works".

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